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PayPal shuts down long-time Tor supporter

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Re: PayPal shuts down long-time Tor supporter

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post #20

Holding the money hostage for half a year on a 20 year old account? Not surprising. Paypal and their other entities like Ebay are pretty shit when it comes to nuance and their impact on others. Had a 15 year old Paypal business account (parent started it and I took it over ~7 years ago) and last year they shut it down because I, as the new owner, was not 18 when the account was created. Nothing from the support but "…

Not that it really matters to your points, but eBay and Paypal split in 2015.

Re: PayPal shuts down long-time Tor supporter

#32
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a 20 year old account, and this activity doesn't seem to be new, or associated with fraud, etc. What aspect of what he's doing seems similar to Fyre? I don't understand the flippant tone.

The tech companies are not analyzing things at this level. They close a number of accounts each month. A certain number of those were engaged in fraud and will generate chargeback activity. Others were legit but accepting payments in advance. Once the business is out of business those too will generate chargeback activity. Some are legit but had bad service, lost key employees resulting in complaints. Once the accoun…

The problem here is that is sounds like he was SENDING money not RECIEVING money,

They can trace where the money came from, if I put money into the account so I could pay someone they find objectionable and then shut me down they should not be able to hold that money because it is not a fraud issue, i did not receive from a 3rd party, it is 100% my money

yet they also hold these funds for the 180 days

Re: PayPal shuts down long-time Tor supporter

#33
It isn't really clear what happened here, and that is a significant part of the problem. I think we are well past the time that we pass a law mandating the companies that provide public services do what the EFF has suggested:

> Provide meaningful notice to users. If PayPal is choosing to shut down someone’s account, they should provide detailed guidance about what aspect of PayPal’s terms were violated or why the account was shut down, unless forbidden from doing so by a legal prohibition or in cases of suspected account takeover. This is a powerful mechanism for holding companies back from over-reliance on automated account suspensions.

> Adopt a meaningful appeal process. If a user’s PayPal account is shut down, they should have an opportunity to appeal to a person that was not involved in the initial decision to shut down the account.

Re: PayPal shuts down long-time Tor supporter

#34

"We don't like what you are doing, and are going to hold your money for six months. I hope you don't subsist on it, or have any business obligations to attend to. We'll call you." This should be illegal for Paypal to do, period. Absolutely illegal. And if it is on behalf of a government or banking/fraud regulations, then the person should be referred to relevant agencies. Let's be clear and drop the pretense: They ar…

PayPal has been doing this for more than a decade now. I wouldn't be surprised if its part of their business model to hold funds indefinitely and to collect interest on them.

Re: PayPal shuts down long-time Tor supporter

#37

PayPal doesn't care about Tor. An intelligence service probably wanted to force this shutting down of Tor enter/exit nodes, so the percent of Tor enter/exit nodes were mostly the intelligence service. (For the best Doxing)

>An intelligence service probably wanted to force this shutting down of Tor enter/exit nodes, so the percent of Tor enter/exit nodes were mostly the intelligence service. (For the best Doxing)

It's a nice conspiracy, although I'm not going to believe it unless there's more evidence corroborating it (ie. mass reports of people getting their paypal banned or increased churn in tor relay nodes).

Re: PayPal shuts down long-time Tor supporter

#39
I know I'm preaching to the choir as everyone here is aware of how terrible PayPal is, but I too have been burned by them. They shut down access to my personal account with no warning and no option for recourse.

Thankfully I didn't have any funds stored there, but it was inconvenient and ruined any trust I previously had in them.

Overall a terrible experience.

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