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Amazon US customers given one week to opt out of mass wireless sharing

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Post by KeepFlying »

Dah00n wrote: post #166
sokoloff wrote: post #140

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Oh no, I was trying different bits of routing trickery. I'm pretty sure if I sat down and gave it a solid 3 hours straight of methodical effort, that I'd have figured it out once and for all. Instead, I would have 5-10 minutes total per attempt, try something , see if it worked or didn't, then the next time I tried the Chromecast (possibly weeks later), it wouldn't always be repeatable. I also had the Casts being pow…

Did you block Google's DNS IPs? That will break Chromecast in strange ways.

Maybe someday I'll write a rewrite rule to pass google DNS through my PiHole...maybe.

All of this hardcoded DNS server BS in iot devices is a pain.

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Post by Spivak »

hermitdev wrote: post #195
deanCommie wrote: post #176

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"extend the low-bandwidth working range of devices to help find pets or valuables with Tile trackers, and help devices stay online even if they are outside the range of their home wifi" Seems like a genuine customer problem. If you want to set up smart lights through your back yard, or a smart sensor at the edge of your driver, they might not have WiFi connectivity to the rest of your house. Hence the Sidewalk metaph…

> Seems like a genuine customer problem. If you want to set up smart lights through your back yard, or a smart sensor at the edge of your driver, they might not have WiFi connectivity to the rest of your house. That sounds like a "you" problem, not a "me" problem. If "you" are setting up smart devices where "you" don't have connectivity, "you" should provide the connectivity, not "me". (Note: I don't have a problem w…

Can Apple devices use your mobile data to participate in the FindMy network? This seems like a weird line to draw.

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Post by londons_explore »

Everyone shares the LTE network... And nobody cares. The fact you pay $90/month and someone else who pays just $40/month might be taking some of your bandwidth probably hadn't even crossed your mind.

Yet ask people to share WiFi and suddenly its totally unacceptable. "This is my bandwidth, I paid for it, nobody else can have any!"

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Post by Spivak »

barbazoo wrote: post #210
hermitdev wrote: post #195

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> Seems like a genuine customer problem. If you want to set up smart lights through your back yard, or a smart sensor at the edge of your driver, they might not have WiFi connectivity to the rest of your house. That sounds like a "you" problem, not a "me" problem. If "you" are setting up smart devices where "you" don't have connectivity, "you" should provide the connectivity, not "me". (Note: I don't have a problem w…

I agree. And what, you're gonna rely on some neighbor's AMZN device proxying the internet for you? I hope the availability of that "smart" sensor or whatever isn't too important.

It’s not an Internet proxy. There is so much misinformation about this it’s nuts. It’s a network to talk to AWS IoT API. It’s not giving random devices access to your network.

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Post by Spivak »

duped wrote: post #188
stingrae wrote: post #150

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100% this. as a device maker, sidewalk is a potential game changer for low power connectivity and finally a path to lorawan finding wide spread adoption

I don't like the idea of my neighbors piggybacking off my data and power hookups. Why aren't device manufactures figuring out how to make things that don't require something like sidewalk to exist? It's not that difficult to run cable and use power over ethernet.

Okay so every device comes with cellular radios which talk to the same IoT API. Does anything really change for you?

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Post by Spivak »

teknopaul wrote: post #152
wearywanderer wrote: post #107

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No bones about it, this is Amazon's response to > If you don't want your smart tv to spy on you, then don't give it your wifi password.

How's does it stand legally stealing people's Internet connection and selling it to people who don't have the password.

Point this logic at the Tile network or Apple’s FindMy network. Does it still work?

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Post by duped »

Spivak wrote: post #215
duped wrote: post #188

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I don't like the idea of my neighbors piggybacking off my data and power hookups. Why aren't device manufactures figuring out how to make things that don't require something like sidewalk to exist? It's not that difficult to run cable and use power over ethernet.

Okay so every device comes with cellular radios which talk to the same IoT API. Does anything really change for you?

Yes, I'm not paying for your infrastructure. Isn't this what 5G is supposed to be used for?

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Post by socialist_coder »

Spivak wrote: post #212
hermitdev wrote: post #195

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> Seems like a genuine customer problem. If you want to set up smart lights through your back yard, or a smart sensor at the edge of your driver, they might not have WiFi connectivity to the rest of your house. That sounds like a "you" problem, not a "me" problem. If "you" are setting up smart devices where "you" don't have connectivity, "you" should provide the connectivity, not "me". (Note: I don't have a problem w…

Can Apple devices use your mobile data to participate in the FindMy network? This seems like a weird line to draw.

The apple airtag devices do the same thing. They can get online via any apple device. Not sure if that applies to other FindMy devices though. I hope it does =)

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Post by swiley »

adamredwoods wrote: post #10
SteveNuts wrote: post #6

How does this work with data caps? Is Amazon going to reimburse me for overage charges from my ISP if my neighbors are using my data?

Amazon notes this in their FAQ: it's capped at 80kbps and max of 500MB per month. I don't know if this includes Bluetooth though.

Oh wow, that's plenty for email and text messaging.

Where do I go to sing up to use sidewalk and cancel my cellular connection? Not having to deal with Qualcomm's stuff would be fantastic.

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Post by drusepth »

chasebro wrote: post #121
ikiris wrote: post #120

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As exchange for their otherwise unpaid service from those devices, they're using a fraction of your potentially capped internet if you happen to be in a market with such poor competition and/or poor regulatory environment that your service is capped.

So like 90% of the US?

Would love to see a source to back this number up if you have one. I had caps on almost every ISP I had in Europe, but even out in the boonies here in the US I've only seen caps on one (unfortunate) connection.
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