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China allows couples to have three children

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Re: China allows couples to have three children

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Post by elefanten »

infinity0 wrote: post #41
Clewza313 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China internally makes a big deal about their 56 ethnic groups, living happily in harmony: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_minorities_in_China And woe betide anyone who dares be less than harmonious about being ruled by their Han big brother.

You seem to have a bit of sour grapes that a non-Western country dares to talk positively about their own policies. You should understand that translations often lose some cultural context, so when you have a prejudice against the English word "harmonious", understand that the Chinese equivalent is used much more freely in everyday speech. "Solidarity" might have been a better translation. -- Reply to the comment bel…

You seem to have some sour grapes about criticism of China and some kind of twisted, paranoid presumption about Western attitudes toward non-Western policymaking.

The point was not to make fun of the word choice “harmonious”, but rather to point out that CCP-led China is functionally an ethnostate that bluntly prefers and privileges one identity over the others.

Re: China allows couples to have three children

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Post by trasz »

simion314 wrote: post #43
ginko wrote: post #2

It feels strange to me why they're not just getting rid of the limit at this point. Especially since they already seem to have trouble getting couples to have two children.

I have no idea , just a random idea , maybe they want to prevent people from the "wrong" group having 10+ children.

Funny you mention it, given that certain minorities were exempt from the "one child" policy, and are likely exempt from this one too.

Re: China allows couples to have three children

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Post by areyousure »

dandellion wrote: post #68
areyousure wrote: post #62

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50% B + 25% GB + 25% GG = 0.75 B + 0.75 G. Can you think of a law ("stopping rule") that could even get the expected number of boys higher than the expected number of girls?

Is that correct? The left side adds to 1 and the right to 1.5.

50% * 1 + 25% * 2 + 25% * 2 = 1.5.

Re: China allows couples to have three children

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Post by thefounder »

robjan wrote: post #34
TimPC wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Misread graph. Removed comment.

There is still a male surplus and culturally people still prefer to have boys because they carry their family name. Girls are married out of the family and if your one child is a girl there will be nobody to look after you in your old age.

>> there will be nobody to look after you in your old age.

What a sick, selfish society. If you can't take care of yourself maybe it's time to go?

Re: China allows couples to have three children

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Post by function_seven »

dandellion wrote: post #68
areyousure wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

50% B + 25% GB + 25% GG = 0.75 B + 0.75 G. Can you think of a law ("stopping rule") that could even get the expected number of boys higher than the expected number of girls?

Is that correct? The left side adds to 1 and the right to 1.5.

Rewrite it as

    .50(B) + .25(G+B) + .25(G+G) = .75(B) + .75(G)
and it balances.

Re: China allows couples to have three children

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Post by axiosgunnar »

woutr_be wrote: post #58
TimPC wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was under the impression the one child policy never applied in poor rural areas. If it was universally enforced I’d like to see an explanation for China’s population growth over a period where it would have experienced a decline.

It generally wasn’t strictly enforced anyway, as in, if you had a second child, you could pay a fine, and legally register your child. And yes, it didn’t apply to rural areas as well. I had a friend in China who lived in Shenzhen and has 3 children, he essentially just payed two fines (not even sure how much it was).

Must give parents leverage when arguing with a child

„I paid a 50000 yuan fine for you just so you could live! Now do your homework!“

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Post by hutzlibu »

himlion wrote: post #22
stefan_ wrote: post #17

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There is another graph here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China#/media/F... Which shows a massive male surplus particularly in the young demographics, way larger than you would biologically expect. How can we claim this policy has no effect if clearly people are still killing female infants?

Killed, or just unreported? Probably both, but I guess more unreported.

Can you raise a unreported child in china? How would that work? With no papers at all and the communist buerocrats also really likes paper about everything. ?

Re: China allows couples to have three children

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Post by infinity0 »

elefanten wrote: post #71
infinity0 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to have a bit of sour grapes that a non-Western country dares to talk positively about their own policies. You should understand that translations often lose some cultural context, so when you have a prejudice against the English word "harmonious", understand that the Chinese equivalent is used much more freely in everyday speech. "Solidarity" might have been a better translation. -- Reply to the comment bel…

You seem to have some sour grapes about criticism of China and some kind of twisted, paranoid presumption about Western attitudes toward non-Western policymaking. The point was not to make fun of the word choice “harmonious”, but rather to point out that CCP-led China is functionally an ethnostate that bluntly prefers and privileges one identity over the others.

> paranoid presumption

There is no "paranoid presumption", that's literally what the comment I'm replying to was doing.

So, look at reality instead of sitting on your high horse, believing that all defenses of China are "paranoid".

> The point was not to make fun of the word choice “harmonious”, but rather to point out [..]

Again, read the comment. You are denying reality. They literally said nothing concrete, only imply negative connotations about the word "harmonious".

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