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Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)

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Post by nxpnsv »

mlang23 wrote: post #98

I get the Edge-hate. I have my own experiences with lack of accessibility support in earlier versions. But, philosophically speaking, there is no difference between using Edge and Chrome. There are things which simply shouldnt be controlled by a single large company like MS or G. The difference between Chrome and Edge seems to be that Google managed to launch Chrome before they dumped their reputation. And some of th…

There is a functional difference between bing and google search though, or am I wrong in still stubbornly googling? The other thing is - perhaps let users choose browser them selves? Or compete by being better instead of being the same...

Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)

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Post by gmueckl »

swiley wrote: post #31
Yaina wrote: post #7

The ways Microsoft wants to trick users into using edge, using all sorts of dark-patterns, has rapidly increased with the launch of chromium edge. Opening Edge on startup, asking in Windows update-screens, putting Edge on the desktop and taskbar, asking to change to Edge when clicking on links, dissuading users when searching for browsers on bing, advertising Edge in the start-menu, it goes on... Chromium Edge is bri…

They got slammed for anti-trust with IE and then noticed Apple got away with even worse on iOS. Now they've doubled down.

MS managed to kill established competition on their OS platform with their behavior around IE. Apple doesn't allow competing browser engines on iOS in the first place, so this gives them a kind of a free pass on that one. They could be on the hook for abusing their iOS gatekeeper status against other types of apps, though.

Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)

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Post by stinos »

amysox wrote: post #9

And people wonder why I still don't trust Micro$oft, even if they say they're supporting open source.

They are supporting open source, no? Could depend on your definition of course, but still.. Anyway: the tricky point here is that the division/department/whatever which deals with that is not the same one as the management (or whatever group) pushing for these advertisements. To the point that treating Microsoft as one big untrustable entity and putting a dollar sign in its name becomes a bit weird and overly generalistic. I mean, I don't 'trust' any company they way I'd trust true friends, but dismissing the whole of it seems far fetched. E.g. I use their compiler. Do I have to worry about the compiler betraying trust somehow because some completely unrelated team in a large company pulls of stupid advertising? It's possible of course the complete top layer of management is instructing every single piece below it to do evil, like the compiler team putting backdoors in, but I don't think there are signs of such things going on.

Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)

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Post by [deleted] »

whyoh wrote: post #109
ridiculous_fish wrote: post #66

It may not be widely known that Gmail users on Windows get a popup telling you to use Chrome [1], and then also an email disguised as a security alert telling you to use Chrome [2]. Google is leveraging their properties to push their browser, and Microsoft is responding in kind. Or maybe vice-versa; either way it's all really obnoxious. 1. https://i.imgur.com/KsD9hFx.jpg 2: https://i.imgur.com/CDs1eIE.png

The difference is that ads on websites are somewhat expected and usually easy to block and contained inside a browser. Ads inside an OS are in a different category of annoying. Especially on Windows where it's not just one setting to turn them off, but they're scattered through the OS, they get re-installed with updates and it's a constant game of whack-a-mole to get rid of them. I don't get the point of comparing Wi…

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Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)

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Post by buran77 »

anothernewdude wrote: post #100
userbinator wrote: post #64

10 or 15 years ago, this behaviour would universally be called adware and shunned, yet now Microsoft does it too? In addition to the Windows 10 alert, Microsoft Edge has also gained a new full-screen prompt that advises users to restore the ‘recommended’ browser and set Bing as the default search engine. ...complete with Corporate Memphis[1]. That screenshot sums up just about everything I hate about "modern" softwar…

Microsoft has always done this. IE/Edge is there by default, you can't delay forever the machine restart after an update, and they've long since removed the TechNet subscriptions.

I don't see a problem with an OS bundling a browser by default. For so many people today the OS is anyway just some plumbing that runs their browser. But when it starts throwing popups at me to use this instead of that, or to reset my default "by accident" then I have a problem.

And for this I blame Google who was big enough to afford nagging everyone to use Chrome whenever they set foot on Google turf. Youtube, Maps, Gmail, Search? "Hey, try Chrome instead of whatever you're using now". They even went a step further and shot their competition in the foot on those Google owned domains in order to make the value proposition of Chrome feel better.

So I'm not surprised at all that other companies now feel comfortable with pulling the same stunts. Especially since there's no regulatory agency that didn't have it's backbone softened to mush by lobbying and bribery.

Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)

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Post by JCWasmx86 »

tartoran wrote: post #46
jrsj wrote: post #41

The more revenue from Windows goes down the more they’re going to push stuff like this (& gather and sell user data) I know this is what everyone says as soon as Win10 is mentioned, but if Win7 still had security updates I never would’ve “upgraded”

I moved on to linux and use windows 10 sparinngly on a different image to watch netflix. I removed all the features, registry hive, autoupdates and all that, disabled Cortana, Im pretty sure I castrated the thing. And as soon as Im done with whatever I need it for I shut it down. Works out quite well like this. When I think of people who just accept all that from MS I feel a bit sorry for them but since they don’t se…

Why don't you watch netflix on linux? DRM is supported there, too. Or do you want to use linux only for software you trust?

Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)

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Post by whyoh »

jfax wrote: post #104

Adware has been a recurring issue on Windows since XP at least. I remember I used to get pop-ups for free smileys and mouse cursors. Of course, it's encouraged by Microsoft now.

>it's encouraged by Microsoft now.

"If you can't beat them, join them." The cynicism with which Microsoft embraced this path is sickening.

Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)

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Post by growse »

tempodox wrote: post #110

The last two Windows updates I let happen force-installed Edge. I removed it afterwards with a helper tool. After it happened the second time in a row, I deactivated Windows updates. Microsoft can go whistle. Should I ever get into trouble for not having updated Windows, I'll trash the VM and restore from a backup. That's a suboptimal solution to be sure, but I don't know how else to fend off this shit.

The problem with this is that when your VM unwittingly become part of a botnet, you're now a cost to everyone else.

Either keep your OS up to date, or use a different one.

Edit or keep it off the internet.

Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)

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Post by cm2187 »

userbinator wrote: post #64

10 or 15 years ago, this behaviour would universally be called adware and shunned, yet now Microsoft does it too? In addition to the Windows 10 alert, Microsoft Edge has also gained a new full-screen prompt that advises users to restore the ‘recommended’ browser and set Bing as the default search engine. ...complete with Corporate Memphis[1]. That screenshot sums up just about everything I hate about "modern" softwar…

To Microsoft's defense everyone does it. Everytime there is an OS update on iOS, I know I will have to go through a dozen of modals that nag me for apple services.
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