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Re: ProtonMail includes Google Recaptcha for login

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Post by bassdropvroom »

cowpig wrote: post #47

When I started my company we chose to use Protonmail. My advice to anyone who wants secure email: don't use protonmail. The email search is completely useless. I don't understand how it can possibly be so difficult to do a substring search on a corpus and rank them in some kind of sane way. Searching for old emails based on content is an exercise in futility. After a few years of using an email service, search become…

Note: due to the design of PM, the search is done client-side rather than server-side. It's not an excuse but at the very least, full-text search is harder.

Re: ProtonMail includes Google Recaptcha for login

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Post by [deleted] »

cowpig wrote: post #47

When I started my company we chose to use Protonmail. My advice to anyone who wants secure email: don't use protonmail. The email search is completely useless. I don't understand how it can possibly be so difficult to do a substring search on a corpus and rank them in some kind of sane way. Searching for old emails based on content is an exercise in futility. After a few years of using an email service, search become…

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Re: ProtonMail includes Google Recaptcha for login

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Post by lallysingh »

abawany wrote: post #49
axegon_ wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even as recent as 5 years ago I liked the idea of a captchas. I still understand the purpose behind them but recently I've started getting really annoyed by them(whether that be reCaptcha or hcaptcha or anything else). They are just everywhere and it gets incredibly tedious to have to solve one every odd click or so. And it gets even worse if you use a vpn or tunnel or god forbid tor: there's no way to solve them the…

In some cases, it seems the companies deploy them to coerce and punish: 'logged out, did you? you deserve this captcha for trying to thwart our tracking, peasant! work this useless problem for us for free!' Looking at you, Meetup.

IIUC, they do help limit some classes of DDOS attacks.

Re: ProtonMail includes Google Recaptcha for login

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Post by Hard_Space »

protonmail wrote: post #53

This headline is unfortunately misleading. Recaptcha is not used on every login (this is verifiable). It only appears in rare situations when it is required to prevent abuse.

I have two PM accounts. Since implementation, every single login includes Captcha. I log in twice a day, Captcha is never omitted.

Re: ProtonMail includes Google Recaptcha for login

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Post by jjcon »

cowpig wrote: post #47

When I started my company we chose to use Protonmail. My advice to anyone who wants secure email: don't use protonmail. The email search is completely useless. I don't understand how it can possibly be so difficult to do a substring search on a corpus and rank them in some kind of sane way. Searching for old emails based on content is an exercise in futility. After a few years of using an email service, search become…

I’ll second this, I love the idea of proton mail but the product isn’t anywhere close to ready for daily driving. Great for the occasional should it arise however. Encryption should be a selling point and it seems like they use it more as an excuse.

Re: ProtonMail includes Google Recaptcha for login

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Post by ______- »

axegon_ wrote: post #44
______- wrote: post #30

> I find this very absurd to see. This is absurd indeed. hCaptcha[0] is a better alternative though, and I wouldn't mind if they used that instead of reCaptcha. I never liked the carpal tunnel that reCaptcha introduces. [0] https://www.hcaptcha.com/

Even as recent as 5 years ago I liked the idea of a captchas. I still understand the purpose behind them but recently I've started getting really annoyed by them(whether that be reCaptcha or hcaptcha or anything else). They are just everywhere and it gets incredibly tedious to have to solve one every odd click or so. And it gets even worse if you use a vpn or tunnel or god forbid tor: there's no way to solve them the…

> Recently I've started getting really annoyed by them

In the end, the services that are using captchas are the services that become the least liked, and users will start migrating to other services that don't use captchas, so there's a business penalty for using them.

On the other hand, if you want to filter out bad actors, then captchas are the way to go. The reason I recommended hCaptcha is because they're easier to solve, and sometimes Google's reCaptcha offering is so complex and hard-to-solve that it starts inducing carpal tunnel / RSI symptoms (at least for me). I don't get so easily fatigued & inflamed with hCaptcha though.

Re: ProtonMail includes Google Recaptcha for login

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Post by jjcon »

Hard_Space wrote: post #55
protonmail wrote: post #53

This headline is unfortunately misleading. Recaptcha is not used on every login (this is verifiable). It only appears in rare situations when it is required to prevent abuse.

I have two PM accounts. Since implementation, every single login includes Captcha. I log in twice a day, Captcha is never omitted.

I’m also seeing it every time

Re: ProtonMail includes Google Recaptcha for login

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Post by octopoc »

protonmail wrote: post #53

This headline is unfortunately misleading. Recaptcha is not used on every login (this is verifiable). It only appears in rare situations when it is required to prevent abuse.

Yeah I can't remember the last time I got a captcha of any kind, so it has definitely been rare for me.

Re: ProtonMail includes Google Recaptcha for login

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Post by octopoc »

jjcon wrote: post #58
Hard_Space wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have two PM accounts. Since implementation, every single login includes Captcha. I log in twice a day, Captcha is never omitted.

I’m also seeing it every time

Are you using Tor or a VPN? That could be why. Not that that makes it any less annoying.
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