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Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by sdsaga12 » Sat, May 29, 2021, 1:27 PM UTC

Guvante wrote: post #355

sdsaga12 wrote: post #293

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Approximately 3.5 million globally have died from covid according to the WHO: https://covid19.who.int/ If you include deaths from related factors, like increased poverty or unrest, I'm sure the numbers go up a bit, but not to tens of millions. I don't state this as an attack, by the way. Covid and its entangled cultural and political issues are enormously emotionally charged, and, one way or another, that tends to sk…

COVID has a death per case rate of 3% give or take. It is estimated that only 1/3 of cases are confirmed. Thus we lose 1% of the people infected. 70% herd immunity without vaccines is 0.7% of your population basically. While I don't think we would lose the 49 million that implies unless we ignored it completely that does make saying we would lose 10s of millions if not for vaccinations not far fetched. Yes I would pu…

I see, I thought you were listing your understanding of the death toll that had already been reached in actuality and not the theoretical potential death toll without vaccine intervention. That makes more sense.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by JPKab » Sat, May 29, 2021, 1:49 PM UTC

Vecr wrote: post #323

JPKab wrote: post #196

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I am away from my home in the state of Nebraska now because my mother-in-law was one of the small number of people to experience a highly adverse event from her second Pfizer shot. She went into cardiac arrest 3 hours after getting her shot. It's been over a week now and they will be taking her off life support shortly because she is now brain dead. It should be noted that this is a rare event and I do recommend to m…

Is this written up anywhere public, preprint, VAERS, etc?

When I was visiting her yesterday afternoon, the attending physician confirmed with us that her case had been reported to the VAERS system.

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Post by JPKab » Sat, May 29, 2021, 1:56 PM UTC

BeefWellington wrote: post #329

JPKab wrote: post #196

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I am away from my home in the state of Nebraska now because my mother-in-law was one of the small number of people to experience a highly adverse event from her second Pfizer shot. She went into cardiac arrest 3 hours after getting her shot. It's been over a week now and they will be taking her off life support shortly because she is now brain dead. It should be noted that this is a rare event and I do recommend to m…

That sounds awful and you have my condolences. With respect to the media: > That being said no media organizations are going to report what happened to my mother-in-law. They know if they do so it will create vaccine hesitancy in many people. I understand and empathize with this but it does raise ethical questions. There are plenty of news organizations who would publicize this story. There have been major outlets re…

Thank you.

The medical team did confirm with us yesterday that they have reported it to VAERS.

The irony with all of this is rich. The entire point of the vaccine was to prevent her from acquiring an infection that would potentially put her on a ventilator in an ICU forcing us to say goodbye to her as she suffocated.

We are now going to be turning off the ventilator, removing the tube, and saying goodbye to her as she suffocates. At least she is brain dead which she would not be if she was dying of covid-19. That's the only blessing we can think of.

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Post by grey-area » Sat, May 29, 2021, 2:31 PM UTC

trompetenaccoun wrote: post #346

grey-area wrote: post #334

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You can see from the figures released by various governments on testing rates vs cases that the false positive rate on tests is very low (< 1%, probably less than 0.2%). There have also been a few documented cases of catching it twice, so this is very rare but possible. So either cause is possible in this case, and the tests are really quite reliable as tests go.

> You can see from the figures released by various governments on testing rates vs cases that the false positive rate on tests is very low This sounds like circular logic, or I'm misunderstanding what you mean. How were these "cases" confirmed? By testing? It would help if you cited the figures where the reliability of the tests can easily be seen. Btw, my point was exactly that the issue isn't with the test itself b…

To take one example the uk gov reports testing around 1 million a day for an extended period with only 2-3k positive and there is no strong correlation between testing rates and cases. That indicates a very low false positive rate - a significant false positive rate would give a higher baseline and a stronger correlation.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by patrakov » Sat, May 29, 2021, 2:32 PM UTC

The big question is whether this can be read as "Vaccinated with Sinovac or CoviVac (i.e. a vaccine based on the whole but inactivated virus, as opposed to mRNA or a vector)? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime".

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Post by ithkuil » Sat, May 29, 2021, 2:33 PM UTC

ulfw wrote: post #359

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This is also why you never want your DNA to end up where it can be used for false accusations against you. Lab work isn't trustworthy against mistakes.

Paranoid a bit much?

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you!

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, May 29, 2021, 2:48 PM UTC

plank_time wrote: post #314

jonnycomputer wrote: post #289

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Natural immunity is great. If you survive. And if you don't give it to others. Almost impossible not to give it to others. Relying on it was pretty reckless, especially given how little we understand it.

This statement is overly alarmist. 98% of people survive covid. >85% are asymptomatic or have mild symptoms. The vast majority of people survive without any issues. The biggest problem with covid is how infectious it is, which is what really overwhelms health care systems.

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Post by amluto » Sat, May 29, 2021, 3:01 PM UTC

swader999 wrote: post #351

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We absolutely have enough data to rule out meaningful ADE. Study after study (the phase 3 trials and all the ongoing surveillance) indicates a massive reduction in the rate of severe infection among vaccine recipients. Sure, one can quibble about whether maybe some of the very small number of people who got a vaccine more than a couple weeks before a severe COVID case had a form of ADE, but that’s like saying that we…

ADE doesn't really show up until years later with different strains and different virus.

By that standard, you also can’t rule out disease-induced ADE, dengue style.

But the vaccine developers do know what they’re doing. IIRC, with SARS, a lot of research was done that suggested that antibodies against N might cause ADE but antibodies against S would not. If that carries over to COVID, then maybe one is better off with a vaccine than natural disease: the latter induces antibodies against N but the former does not.

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Post by anoncake » Sat, May 29, 2021, 3:17 PM UTC

jokethrowaway wrote: post #370

DarknessFalls wrote: post #283

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Remember that across the globe, there are many complex political affiliations. As it turns out, the governments that tend to be more authoritarian, such as India, the U.K., or the U.S. during the last cycle, denied the efficacy of wearing masks or getting vaccinated. Boris Johnson went as far as to suggest he get Covid on stage with the cameras rolling, to show the dangers were exaggerated. Now he's well on his way t…

Right wing governments are definitely less authoritarian than left wing ones. Lockdown in left wing countries has been much worse (as in, you can't get out of this area, you need to wear masks outside) than in the UK or the US. Tbh I was expecting better from the UK Tories and I wish they didn't implement all these restrictions and gave away so much money - but they did way better than other European countries I have…

What left wing countries?

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Post by randomopining » Sat, May 29, 2021, 3:19 PM UTC

jeremyjh wrote: post #319

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That’s what I think and is why I actually wanted to get the virus 2+ weeks after vaccination.

You want to get the virus so that in the future you don't...get the virus?

Yeah:

1. Be super healthy 2. Have full vaccine effectiveness 3. Relatively quarantined

Now you’re gonna have the strongest defense. In the future you won’t unexpectedly get it and have any chance of infecting people around you. You chose when to get it. Smart all around, but very counterculture.