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Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by DarknessFalls »

loveistheanswer wrote: post #189

It almost seems like a lot of people don't want the data to indicate that natural immunity is strong and long lasting, even though the data shows that reinfection is extemely rare. Similar to how so many people have been unwilling to even consider a lab leak was a possibility, until just now it seems, because that idea was heresy to the orthodox dogma that ordained Scientists are Saviors. Humans have equated sickness…

Anecdotally, I've known at least three people who have caught Covid twice during the pandemic. This runs contrary to your statement that natural immunity "is strong and long lasting". Rather, it is a forgetful, fickle thing to rely upon. Get vaccinated.

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Post by bpodgursky »

ck2 wrote: post #277

If you had covid you also probably have a 1 in 10 chance of having long-covid for a year or more where your life quality is hell. Lifetime antibodies are not very helpful if you have longterm or permanent damage from covid.

I don't want to trivialize what people are suffering through, but 1 in 10 is not a remotely accurate count.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by DarknessFalls »

ultralite wrote: post #258
loveistheanswer wrote: post #189

It almost seems like a lot of people don't want the data to indicate that natural immunity is strong and long lasting, even though the data shows that reinfection is extemely rare. Similar to how so many people have been unwilling to even consider a lab leak was a possibility, until just now it seems, because that idea was heresy to the orthodox dogma that ordained Scientists are Saviors. Humans have equated sickness…

Natural immunity was used as a justification for some societal responses, particularly by some on one side of the political spectrum. Thus, some of those on the opposite side will interpret strong natural immunity to COVID-19 as a political loss.

Remember that across the globe, there are many complex political affiliations. As it turns out, the governments that tend to be more authoritarian, such as India, the U.K., or the U.S. during the last cycle, denied the efficacy of wearing masks or getting vaccinated. Boris Johnson went as far as to suggest he get Covid on stage with the cameras rolling, to show the dangers were exaggerated. Now he's well on his way to early retirement, thanks to the damage it's done.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by qqqwerty »

ultralite wrote: post #258
loveistheanswer wrote: post #189

It almost seems like a lot of people don't want the data to indicate that natural immunity is strong and long lasting, even though the data shows that reinfection is extemely rare. Similar to how so many people have been unwilling to even consider a lab leak was a possibility, until just now it seems, because that idea was heresy to the orthodox dogma that ordained Scientists are Saviors. Humans have equated sickness…

Natural immunity was used as a justification for some societal responses, particularly by some on one side of the political spectrum. Thus, some of those on the opposite side will interpret strong natural immunity to COVID-19 as a political loss.

I think the 3.5 million deaths were used as justification for certain societal responses. But if you like attacking straw men, who am I to stop you. It is a free country after all!

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Post by insaneirish »

nednar wrote: post #159
gurleen_s wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know anything about how effective that might be, but I imagine the logistics of transporting a live, deadly virus would be a nightmare.

In many locations you have hospitals close by with covid stations. So you could bring the people to the virus.

And that would work how, exactly?

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by ultralite »

qqqwerty wrote: post #284
ultralite wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Natural immunity was used as a justification for some societal responses, particularly by some on one side of the political spectrum. Thus, some of those on the opposite side will interpret strong natural immunity to COVID-19 as a political loss.

I think the 3.5 million deaths were used as justification for certain societal responses. But if you like attacking straw men, who am I to stop you. It is a free country after all!

I expect it works both ways: I expect a weak natural immunity to COVID-19 would have been considered a political loss to some.

I don't have sufficient expertise on the matter to hold strong positions either way.

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Post by dsyrk »

Guvante wrote: post #274
dsyrk wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would being a result of gain of function research with a particular furin cleavage site be considered “bio engineered”?

I don't feel like playing "there isn't enough evidence to prove me wrong"

Source: https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-peop...

Relevant text: For the lab escape scenario, the double CGG codon is no surprise. The human-preferred codon is routinely used in labs. So anyone who wanted to insert a furin cleavage site into the virus’s genome would synthesize the PRRA-making sequence in the lab and would be likely to use CGG codons to do so. “When I first saw the furin cleavage site in the viral sequence, with its arginine codons, I said to my wife it was the smoking gun for the origin of the virus,” said David Baltimore, an eminent virologist and former president of CalTech. “These features make a powerful challenge to the idea of a natural origin for SARS2,” he said.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by jonnycomputer »

loveistheanswer wrote: post #189

It almost seems like a lot of people don't want the data to indicate that natural immunity is strong and long lasting, even though the data shows that reinfection is extemely rare. Similar to how so many people have been unwilling to even consider a lab leak was a possibility, until just now it seems, because that idea was heresy to the orthodox dogma that ordained Scientists are Saviors. Humans have equated sickness…

Or maybe some people thought that serious accusations like this require evidence and looked askance upon Trump's xenophobic blame-shifting and hate-mongering. "the China virus" he likes to say.

And we see the consequences with old Asian ladies being punched in streets by young white thugs.

I've personally always held it as a possibility. But no way I'll defend the Trump administration on this.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by jonnycomputer »

xienze wrote: post #261
loveistheanswer wrote: post #189

It almost seems like a lot of people don't want the data to indicate that natural immunity is strong and long lasting, even though the data shows that reinfection is extemely rare. Similar to how so many people have been unwilling to even consider a lab leak was a possibility, until just now it seems, because that idea was heresy to the orthodox dogma that ordained Scientists are Saviors. Humans have equated sickness…

> It almost seems like a lot of people don't want the data to indicate that natural immunity is strong and long lasting, even though the data shows that reinfection is extemely rare. I too remember when the concept of "natural immunity to Covid" was a wild, dangerous conspiracy theory, along with the "came out of the Wuhan lab" theory. Funny watching the narrative change in real time.

Natural immunity is great. If you survive. And if you don't give it to others.

Almost impossible not to give it to others.

Relying on it was pretty reckless, especially given how little we understand it.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by hesarenu »

DarknessFalls wrote: post #283
ultralite wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Natural immunity was used as a justification for some societal responses, particularly by some on one side of the political spectrum. Thus, some of those on the opposite side will interpret strong natural immunity to COVID-19 as a political loss.

Remember that across the globe, there are many complex political affiliations. As it turns out, the governments that tend to be more authoritarian, such as India, the U.K., or the U.S. during the last cycle, denied the efficacy of wearing masks or getting vaccinated. Boris Johnson went as far as to suggest he get Covid on stage with the cameras rolling, to show the dangers were exaggerated. Now he's well on his way t…

Hmm trying to change history? India govt is right winged but don't think they denied efficiency of masks or vaccination.
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