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Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by loveistheanswer »

amalcon wrote: post #132
yostrovs wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comment avoids the facts noted in the linked article, which seem to point to perpetual immunity of anyone who was infected by SARS-CoV-2 in the past.

There are multiple documented cases where a person caught COVID twice (where the two instances were genetically different, and therefore not a false positive caused by lingering dead virus). The linked article only indicates that antibody production should continue for a long time, but that's only one factor in robust long-term immunity. The rate of antibody production and the set of proteins that the antibodies targ…

>There are multiple documented cases where a person caught COVID twice

There have been far more breakthrough cases of fully vaccinated people than there have been confirmed reinfections.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by loveistheanswer »

mehphp wrote: post #52
heyflyguy wrote: post #40

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

But you _did_ catch covid so being careful isn't always enough. I don't think it's emotional or unreasonable for your family to require the vaccine before you visit. Also, I'm not suggesting that you will "kill everyone" by not getting the vaccine, but it really isn't just about you and that you personally will probably recover. Do you think it's a reasonable thing for most people to take your stance and not get vacc…

>We are at the tail end of this thing _because_ we have a vaccination available.

Are you implying naturally gained immunity does not play a role in herd immunity? Is there any data which supports this hypothesis?

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by titzer »

mfer wrote: post #57
afavour wrote: post #9

I’m personally sceptical of putting too much faith in this, we’ve already seen a number of variants. Over my lifetime? Who knows what mutations we’ll see.

Scientists have found that people who had SARS are immune to COVID. Their T cells fight it off. There was another variant of a coronavirus that went around and people who got that seem to be immune to. Some scientists testing on older blood samples found this. The older coronavirus didn't cause major issues in society and went unnoticed. I share this to say that there is reason to believe that we will be able to figh…

> Scientists have found that people who had SARS are immune to COVID

Citation needed.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by dragonwriter »

loveistheanswer wrote: post #171
amalcon wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are multiple documented cases where a person caught COVID twice (where the two instances were genetically different, and therefore not a false positive caused by lingering dead virus). The linked article only indicates that antibody production should continue for a long time, but that's only one factor in robust long-term immunity. The rate of antibody production and the set of proteins that the antibodies targ…

>There are multiple documented cases where a person caught COVID twice There have been far more breakthrough cases of fully vaccinated people than there have been confirmed reinfections.

> There have been far more breakthrough cases of fully vaccinated people than there have been confirmed reinfections.

Yeah, but there are vastly more vaccinated people than people have been confirmed infected even once, so that doesn’t really tell you anything. (Currently, the number of vaccination doses being delivered per day globally is about 1/5 the total number of confirmed global COVID cases.)

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by loveistheanswer »

sschueller wrote: post #121
heyflyguy wrote: post #40

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

In Switzerland the government does not want people who have had covid within the last six months to get the vaccination. Additionally if you do want to get the vaccination after 6 month they only want you to get 1 shot not 2. Does the US not differentiate between those who have had it and those that didn't?

>Does the US not differentiate between those who have had it and those that didn't?

No they do not. Public messaging has completely ignored natural immunity.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by 74d-fe6-2c6 »

heyflyguy wrote: post #40

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

It is absolutely okay to not get vaccinated! And if your family shuns you for that then you should question your family and the quality of their relationship to you. Especially because everybody who is afraid of Covid can get vaccinated ... so, then they are reasonbly protected. If they are afraid and not vaccinated then they can ask you to not seek physical proximity. I mean that's fine - but that's not shunning.

Also you do not have any resonsibility to do that for society. The society we live in is not even close to the level of solidarity and empathy to demand anything from an individual beyond respecting the law and paying taxes.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by sigstoat »

JPKab wrote: post #68
heyflyguy wrote: post #40

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

I'm in a pretty weird position right now myself. I caught it in mid-February with mild symptoms basically just loss of smell. I have very high antibodies and my physician actually recommended that I hold off on getting the vaccine. Unfortunately, I have several co-workers who refuse to attend a picnic if I'm there. All of them are vaccinated which indicates to me that there is no logic and simply a demand that I adhe…

> I have very high antibodies and my physician actually recommended that I hold off on getting the vaccine.

what was their reasoning?

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by loveistheanswer »

dragonwriter wrote: post #174
loveistheanswer wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>There are multiple documented cases where a person caught COVID twice There have been far more breakthrough cases of fully vaccinated people than there have been confirmed reinfections.

> There have been far more breakthrough cases of fully vaccinated people than there have been confirmed reinfections. Yeah, but there are vastly more vaccinated people than people have been confirmed infected even once, so that doesn’t really tell you anything. (Currently, the number of vaccination doses being delivered per day globally is about 1/5 the total number of confirmed global COVID cases.)

Thats a good point.

We'd need to compare the number of confirmed reinfections divided by confirmed infections with the number of breakthrough cases divided by the number of fully vaccinated people.

Its also worth noting the confirmed reinfection count is on a much longer time scale than breakthrough infections. So we currently have more data about the long term natural immunity than we do for vaccinated immunity.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by 74d-fe6-2c6 »

unethical_ban wrote: post #77
heyflyguy wrote: post #40

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

Arguments against your case: * Outlets had previously been reporting that mild cases do not give enough immune response to be lasting * Variants might not be caught by the natural immune response, but the vaccines are showing to be pretty effective with them. * Many people also think it's selfish not to get the free flu vaccines each year, so it isn't surprising that after a pandemic where half a million Americans di…

> Surprise, you live in a society - and I don't say that sentence ironically.

You should. Majority of Muricans is not even willing to pay into a communal health insurance. So much for the level of society.

> That's why the fact that the vaccine is a sure shot

That take is not scientific at all. There have been several issues reported with the vaccines.

Re: Had Covid? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

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Post by borvo »

heyflyguy wrote: post #40

I am being shunned by my family because of my lack of interest in the vaccine. I've had COVID and recovered. I also don't get a flu shot each year. I really like not putting things into my body, especially when year after year I may or may not "catch" these things but if I do, I always recover. I act responsibly and do not go out when I am sick. However, none of these facts or articles such as this will ever effectiv…

They might be shunning you due to your non-fact based opinions and consequent risky behavior: * I've had COVID and recovered * also don't get a flu shot each year * have continuously been near or around folks that have come down with Covid

And you think your family are the ones with the emotional arguments (!) Sorry this happened to you, but you're the one in the wrong here.

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