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Re: Citizen’s dangerous effort to cash in on vigilantism

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Post by aidenn0 » Fri, May 28, 2021, 5:33 AM UTC

kleer001 wrote: post #214

evo_9 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'Extra Extra Read All About it!' from anon newspaper kid standing on the street-corner ~100+ years ago (probably older).

Not really the same thing. That's just once a day. If we wanna go deep we can talk about the evolutionary origins of gossip. I'm sure being a social animal with complex signs and individual identities demands communication about one's neighbours and peers. What I mean is a constantly televised high bandwidth audio visual stream. That's only 40 years old.

An extra was for news not in the daily paper.

Re: Citizen’s dangerous effort to cash in on vigilantism

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Post by midasuni » Fri, May 28, 2021, 6:43 AM UTC

atatatat wrote: post #157

midasuni wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember seeing a headline “breaking news Michael Jackson dead” This was 48 hours after it happened.

If you hadn't heard about it, it was breaking.

After 2 days of wall To wall coverage in print, online, on radio and on tv, you had heard about it.

Breaking is when things are changing rapidly and an event is currently Happening.

Re: Citizen’s dangerous effort to cash in on vigilantism

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Post by yosito » Fri, May 28, 2021, 6:53 AM UTC

devfatigue wrote: post #202

Anyone else think we should jail the entire company in the name of public safety? We have officers who actually work for the government running roughshod over individuals why would we allow corporations to do this?

Yes.

Re: Citizen’s dangerous effort to cash in on vigilantism

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Post by permo-w » Fri, May 28, 2021, 11:01 AM UTC

When got to about a third of the way through this article, I started to wonder if this was some kind of fictional dystopian thought piece. It is not.

How is this legal? The capacity for this to go wrong and hurt people is so damn high

Re: Citizen’s dangerous effort to cash in on vigilantism

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Post by permo-w » Fri, May 28, 2021, 11:05 AM UTC

vmception wrote: post #119

underwater wrote: post #109

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Plenty of people are smart enough to manipulate others, but don't because they're not assholes. Manipulating people for personal gain doesn't make you smart. It just makes you a psychopath.

Bring it up with the publicist. They're all third party and they all share the same tactics with each other for engagement. I have been willing to concede that there are a lot of people inspired by people that look like them and otherwise wouldn't even notice if it weren't for categorized headlines and lists. It is icing on the cake that different people are triggered by that, and even greater icing on the cake that…

‘it’s a third party, so I’m totally not responsible for it, even though I know what’s going on and pay for it, and then brag about it online’

Re: Citizen’s dangerous effort to cash in on vigilantism

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Post by permo-w » Fri, May 28, 2021, 11:09 AM UTC

getcrunk wrote: post #9

It's crazy watching the world turn into a dystopia and being powerless to stop it. It not just about this company. If they fail another will replace it. Society seems to be on a convergent path with dystopian scifi. This, Chicago police automated policing program (detects crime before it happenes and actually hurt innocent people), racially biased facial recognition. I read an article today about some DNA software be…

the place to start is phoning up your local representative

Re: Citizen’s dangerous effort to cash in on vigilantism

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Post by permo-w » Fri, May 28, 2021, 11:18 AM UTC

If we want to fight this, we should find the falsely accused arsonist and crowd-fund him a lawsuit.

This cannot go on

Re: Citizen’s dangerous effort to cash in on vigilantism

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Post by ClumsyPilot » Fri, May 28, 2021, 11:18 AM UTC

wearywanderer wrote: post #98

awal2 wrote: post #57

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I also don't think I witnessed much crime until I moved to Seattle. In the six years I've been here though I've witnessed: 1. Somebody broke into my Aunt's place while nobody was home and took some jewelry and a cell phone. Police came by, handed her a form, said nice things for five minutes then took off. Never heard anything about it again. 2. My car window smashed after being parked on the street overnight. I call…

> and I don't think the answer is beefing up local law enforcement. Yes, I think the number of police and the funding police receive is definitely not the problem here. It doesn't matter how many cops you have or how many expensive toys those cops have. If the DA refuses to charge the people the police arrest, then the police will stop arresting people because they know it's a waste of their time. The root of the pro…

The bottleneck in crime is investigation and detectives, which need to be highly skilled and spend a lot of time.

But most peoppe seem to think police = more grunts on the streets with guns. Or lets give them bigger guns. Or give them more power to harrass random passerbies.

Re: Citizen’s dangerous effort to cash in on vigilantism

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Post by supergirl » Fri, May 28, 2021, 11:31 AM UTC

at the very end:

> Frame said at the all-hands that he is still performing a manhunt for the person Citizen falsely accused, but this time in order to apologize.

> "We need to find this person and we are actively looking to find him. We are not done when it comes to this person," notes from the all-hands say. "Andrew [Frame] said they are working on that and this has the chance to turn into a very happy moment."

Someone has a giant ego and doesn't understand they fucked up. Trying to still find this guy and put a camera in his face...

Re: Citizen’s dangerous effort to cash in on vigilantism

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Post by annoyingnoob » Fri, May 28, 2021, 1:19 PM UTC

cosmodisk wrote: post #144

wolverine876 wrote: post #44

In case people are missing the broader point of the article, beyond the horrifying incident at the beginning: "The whole idea behind Protect is that you could convince people to pay for the product once you’ve gotten them to the highest point of anxiety you can possibly get them to," one former employee said, referring to Citizen's subscription service. "Citizen can’t make money unless it makes its users believe ther…

As an observer from the other side of the pond, I do feel that there's lots of companies built on unsubstantiated fear in the US. Times change and so do the threats, but in a nutshell: •Nuclear bunkers to keep your family safe. •Big guns because they will come for you. •All sorts of tracking devices for kids. •Surveillance systems for homes So the latest seems to be a modern day witch-hunting for masses.

> Surveillance systems for homes

Unfortunately, there is quite a bit of lower level crime like package theft, car break-ins, etc. The cops are pretty much too busy to help and don't care unless there are multiple felonies and real harm. Having a deterrent like a camera system can be helpful - making yourself a less convenient target really helps.