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Citizen’s dangerous effort to cash in on vigilantism

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Re: Citizen’s dangerous effort to cash in on vigilantism

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We talk a lot about mobs here. It seems someone has monetized the mob. Not only am I disappointed in the proponents of mobs and call out culture, but I am doubly disappointed in the people who profit from them. Social media, Citizen/Vigilante, to the mainstream news. We are so lost.

It's been like this forever. Tribalism is nothing new. We are predisposed to think like this, because our violent and tribal ancestors hundreds of thousands of years ago killed off lineages who might have been more predisposed to peaceful, collective thought. Look at the abhorrant acts that charismatic leaders were able to make their fanatics do to other humans throughout history. Ancient times were no different. Fea…

> It's been like this forever. Tribalism is nothing new

I don't think it's useful to say this. There's something different about these mobs, and maybe it's something amorphous like "reach" or the fact that they can feel so close while remaining so far away by invading our devices and mindspace without an opportunity for escape. Other mobs hold and espouse some high morals while acting entirely amorally, which I guess is what makes them look like the mobs of old.

The commonality I've read in survivor stories is that the victims had to "disconnect", which I think people view a bit lightly. That's a large cost in today's world. This problem is worth addressing.

Re: Citizen’s dangerous effort to cash in on vigilantism

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In case people are missing the broader point of the article, beyond the horrifying incident at the beginning: "The whole idea behind Protect is that you could convince people to pay for the product once you’ve gotten them to the highest point of anxiety you can possibly get them to," one former employee said, referring to Citizen's subscription service. "Citizen can’t make money unless it makes its users believe ther…

this sounds eerily similar to the main stream news media business model.

Re: Citizen’s dangerous effort to cash in on vigilantism

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In case people are missing the broader point of the article, beyond the horrifying incident at the beginning: "The whole idea behind Protect is that you could convince people to pay for the product once you’ve gotten them to the highest point of anxiety you can possibly get them to," one former employee said, referring to Citizen's subscription service. "Citizen can’t make money unless it makes its users believe ther…

As an observer from the other side of the pond, I do feel that there's lots of companies built on unsubstantiated fear in the US. Times change and so do the threats, but in a nutshell:

•Nuclear bunkers to keep your family safe. •Big guns because they will come for you. •All sorts of tracking devices for kids. •Surveillance systems for homes

So the latest seems to be a modern day witch-hunting for masses.

Re: Citizen’s dangerous effort to cash in on vigilantism

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Bring it up with the publicist. They're all third party and they all share the same tactics with each other for engagement. I have been willing to concede that there are a lot of people inspired by people that look like them and otherwise wouldn't even notice if it weren't for categorized headlines and lists. It is icing on the cake that different people are triggered by that, and even greater icing on the cake that…

And who pays and directs said publicist? You were in cahoots reflecting on the intelligence of your marks fifteen minutes ago, remember? Go ahead, walk back the psychopathy because you couldn’t stick to it. We all totally buy the assignment of liability to a third party and respect your commitment to the troll. The only thing more amusing than a troll is a troll that collapses like a limp noodle under sustained fire…

Citizen found the same result

Nobody is walking back anything, and we don't direct the publicist

Re: Citizen’s dangerous effort to cash in on vigilantism

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> Citizen, using a new livestreaming service it had just launched called OnAir, would catch the suspect live on air, with thousands of people watching. I'm sorry, is this describing real life or an episode of Black Mirror? It's so blatantly dystopian that I'm at a loss for words.

Yeah, for the first couple of paragraphs, I was sure they're summarizing some movie. Because I've already seen this exact story at least twice, played out to disastrous consequences.

One take was in "The Circle". Still not sure why people hate that movie, it's pretty much a documentary on Google and Facebook, and about the only fictional element in it are the advanced video cameras. That, and this vigilante crime tracking, which until now I thought nobody was insane enough to try and make a startup of.

Re: Citizen’s dangerous effort to cash in on vigilantism

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post #124

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And who pays and directs said publicist? You were in cahoots reflecting on the intelligence of your marks fifteen minutes ago, remember? Go ahead, walk back the psychopathy because you couldn’t stick to it. We all totally buy the assignment of liability to a third party and respect your commitment to the troll. The only thing more amusing than a troll is a troll that collapses like a limp noodle under sustained fire…

Citizen found the same result Nobody is walking back anything, and we don't direct the publicist

Couldn’t even last an hour. Sad.

Re: Citizen’s dangerous effort to cash in on vigilantism

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It is real life. I’ve uninstalled the app multiple times because it was obvious that it was manufacturing anxiety. I was the first in my circles to delete Facebook and other social media profiles for the same reason (actually delete the profile not just uninstall). I felt others just didn’t notice what was going on. With Citizen I then learned to just disable notifications.

If you’ve deleted the app a number of times, does that mean you support/find the baseline functionality of the app useful? So even though they’re an outrage machine, you support the business model?

They've overlaid all US jurisdictions with Covid-19 stats in the area for the past 12 months, all while cities were emptying out and actually descending into a mixture of unrest and literal fireworks.

I have been finding that much more useful than before for a variety of reasons. Did my Walgreens get looted again? Where is the protest right now? Gunshots or fireworks? R0 is increasing, ICU capacity is getting closer to full, alrighty then. What's the name of that local politician again, let me check the comments to see who everyone is blaming in this area.

I don't have notifications on for it to tell me about mostly irrelevant things that were always happening, and thats the main difference. I never noticed they were also selling a paid paranoia product.

I don't check the app unless I see something like smoke in the distance or hear many emergency vehicles. Things I used to check twitter or snapmaps about.

Re: Citizen’s dangerous effort to cash in on vigilantism

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All true, and there's an additional factor: these shows, and news coverage about crime, make people think crime is far more prevalent (and rising) than it is. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/16/voters-perc... Local news Facebook comments are full of "there's so much crime! it was never like this when I was younger!" but the reality is completely in the opposite direction.

I showed my boomer parents the actual data and they straight up rejected it. The "society is collapsing into lawlessness" narrative has become very strong.

People reject data (lies, damn lies and statistics). They reject rationalism. They go with their gut, their gut is programmed by the headlines they see

Re: Citizen’s dangerous effort to cash in on vigilantism

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> Citizen does moderate comments, but "two people having an argument about whether or not someone’s comment is racist drives engagement," LOL, my publicist does this on linkedin and other places for us because people are gullible. Source article: Executive of does a thing 0 engagement, nobody knows Social Media version: [First] Executive of does a thing 15,000 comments, 2 million reach, supporters and detractors argu…

Users getting so offended by this comment are hilarious. He didn't create this system, if you were in a similar position tasked to get attention for a client or business you could take the high road of not using proven social media tactics and fail miserably. The sanctimonious take that he's a 'manipulative asshole' for playing the system is laughable. Don't hate the player hate the game.

It has really demystified a lot of whats going on, for me, especially on LinkedIn.

It was probably 4 years ago when our publicist first told us about double spaced motivational nonsense going viral consistently. We were amused, bemused really, because we didn't care for it but were fine with the low effort involved.

Now with the aforementioned tactic, LinkedIn does consistently surface "[First] [Female] " posts, and I like to look at the source article to see if it was actually published that way, because if it wasn't I have a good chuckle because I know exactly what's going on. The people in the comments only react.

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