Based on the upcoming posts they are announcing, it looks like MDN Plus is Mozilla Hacks under a paywall
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#202Reminder that Mozilla fired the people that wrote the content.
Mozilla shipped closed source DRM and nonconsensual telemetry spyware, and the layoffs were the axe you chose to grind?
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#203Sorry, it's just really off-putting to me that software developers who get paid more than average laborers complain so much about paid offerings that cost them less than a single Starbucks drink. We don't know what the pricing is yet, but there are already people discussing what is too much. I know the demographics here aren't strictly American, but the currency conversion is hardly that impactful across major develo…
If it helps you find this discussion more palatable, you might consider and even-further-left analysis.
You could look at how the laborers who you're writing about are often asked to create the conditions of their own labor.
While this traditionally might include all of the unpaid domestic work that goes into the creation of a working class, the work situation for employees here is that it'n not, at the end of the day, the employers who are paying for the app.
I like my employer and all, and maybe I could get them to fund things like this, but if I can make that happen, why would I care what it costs? I would probably want it to cost more ,because a $0.99 app is just going to come straight of my pocket rather than and expense for which I can be reimbursed.
I don't care if MDN charges, and I personally would pay for it.
But I also brought my own device to work for the first 5 years after I stopped being a 1099 employee... so I am a sucker. I get tired of paying for tools i need to make money for other people, even if I understand that money goes to other folks in similar situations.
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#204The $10/m right now seems on the high side. Even the copy suggests you're better off not getting this, waiting at least a year for the content to be posted "every month," then subbing for a single month to read it all. Maybe the Wikipedia/donation model would have been a better play for MDN then this, particularly as freemium was originally about micro-transactions, not $2 more than the cost of Netflix's Basic tier.…
It seems to be an A/B test, it's $5/m on my side. Which seems fair to me, although I agree about the product angle; I don't care at all about extra content or features, I'd rather just pay to keep MDN going and have everything available to everyone.
Gross. Even Amazon got slapped down and stopped A/B testing prices.
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#205Sorry, it's just really off-putting to me that software developers who get paid more than average laborers complain so much about paid offerings that cost them less than a single Starbucks drink. We don't know what the pricing is yet, but there are already people discussing what is too much. I know the demographics here aren't strictly American, but the currency conversion is hardly that impactful across major develo…
If it helps you find this discussion more palatable, you might consider and even-further-left analysis. You could look at how the laborers who you're writing about are often asked to create the conditions of their own labor. While this traditionally might include all of the unpaid domestic work that goes into the creation of a working class, the work situation for employees here is that it'n not, at the end of the da…
Convincing an employer to pay expenses seems like a decent negotiating tactic, a way of charging more.
But it doesn’t seem like it should be treated as a moral issue? It’s just how you structure the transaction. You could also charge more by changing more and paying the expenses, which gives you more control over spending.
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#206So happy MDN is doing this.
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#207Reminder that Mozilla fired the people that wrote the content.
Mozilla fired the people working on this because it was not a revenue stream. How is that surprising?
The Mozilla Corporation exists to partially make money just like any other corporation. How can HN both complain when Mozilla sheds dead weight, but also diversifies revenue?
Mozilla shepherded MDN into the hands of the community quite well imo. They busted their butt to make the content easy to contribute to through GitHub.
Please have some perspective on situations instead of "Hur dur Mozilla fired these people".
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#208Everyone in this thread complaining about the $10 cost is going to smoothly transition over to the thread about Facebook selling your data without batting an eyelash.
You want free without paying the cost of free. Grow up.
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#209Obviously it would be nice if everything everywhere was always free, but docs and opensource suffer a lot from lack of sustainability when based on voluntary donations. Companies simply have no incentives to pay for anything. There are surely tens of thousands of companies worldwide, whose employees rely on MDN on a daily basis. There are poor startups among them, but many of those companies have pretty deep pockets.…
> Or we don't want to deal with stupid bureaucracy and an arcane process to set up the sub. More like this IMO. There tends to be a lot of process with this sort of thing, which makes me reluctant to bother. Especially if I'll have to do it over and over again. Everyone's suggesting lower price levels, but I'd suggest they have a higher enterprise price level. I bet a lot of medium-large corporations would pay a few…
Yep, site-wide corporate pricing is a good idea.
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#210I wish they’d clarify if the money is used to support MDN or not. I wouldn’t be opposed to supporting MDN patreon style, and if it comes with “perks” like articles, sure, why not. But I would do this to support MDNs core documentation , not because I’m dying for technical deep dives. That said $10/mo is a bit steep for me. And in any event, if they don’t make explicit that the money goes to support MDN upkeep and dev…
They do clarify that with the following sentence:
"We want to provide extra value through premium content and features to help make MDN self-sustaining, on a completely opt-in basis."
But then again, once they have the money, they are free to do what they want with it. Marketing is not binding. It all comes down to this: Do you trust Mozilla?