I ask this completely seriously. What would it take to declare the domain of the internet as its own sovereign entity? The internet to me has become greater than just a communications network. It is a place where people connect/work/play. DNS is a natural resource, and should be regulated by all that is affected by it.
US claims all .com and .net websites are in its jurisdiction
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Re: US claims all .com and .net websites are in its jurisdiction
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Why is online piracy such a big business (and hence a problem to the rights holders)? Because there are no comparable legal alternatives. I want to agree with you, because I wish that was the case, but it isn't. The 15-25 set just doesn't care. If they can get a movie for free on bittorrent, or pay $20/mo to stream as many as they want, they'll go for bittorrent the majority of the time.
I have to disagree with you quite a bit... the 15-25's care immensely about this. They might not express it the same we do, but media consumption (and in some cases production) is their entire life. They want to consume as quickly and easily as possible. BitTorrent and other "black market" sources are currently the easiest and fastest ways to consume their media. My sister also (like my sibling comment) tried Netflix…
The first media business that figures out how to sell to this generation will get adoption quickly.
It's too soon to tell, but the model Apple has taken with iTunes Match seems promising. Basically, instead of selling access to the media (which they already do), they're selling a cloud service that's useful even if you already have the media. And they manage to not compete with themselves because the service is free if you buy the media from them. So free that it's not even a service, it's just the way their store works now.
The usage patterns of TV and movies are different than music, but they aren't so different that something like that couldn't work.
Re: US claims all .com and .net websites are in its jurisdiction
#63FYI, .com/net/org have always belonged to the United States. In the same way that .ca belongs to Canada, com/net/org/us belong to the US. Think of them as the sponsoring organization that originally created them. The only thing the US government has ever given up is control over the registry and DNS management. Under a MoU[1] that facility was handed over to ICANN with the understanding that they would select US base…
"The only thing the US government has ever given up is control over the registry and DNS management. Under a MoU[1] that facility was handed over to ICANN ..."
That's just a bureaucratic illusion. As we can see from recent domain seizures, the feds can take over any of these domains, unilaterally, and without any notice or due process.
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#64Sounds like a good time to start selling those .com/.net domains I've got stashed away.
Re: US claims all .com and .net websites are in its jurisdiction
#65FYI, .com/net/org have always belonged to the United States. In the same way that .ca belongs to Canada, com/net/org/us belong to the US. Think of them as the sponsoring organization that originally created them. The only thing the US government has ever given up is control over the registry and DNS management. Under a MoU[1] that facility was handed over to ICANN with the understanding that they would select US base…
It does seem problematic that all the generic TLDs (whose value over ccTLDs is obvious) are US-controlled. Maybe the imminent explosion of new gTLDs will help.
You can make a million brands of beverage, but everyone will still grab a Coke or a Pepsi from the shelf.
The new gTLD program is just a money land-grab. It's been well known within the domain industry that firing up a new TLD is one of the most profitable things you can do. Between speculators and brand protection agencies you are guaranteed a minimum of 100k+ registrations. Multiply that by $20-$30 bucks a pop.
Re: US claims all .com and .net websites are in its jurisdiction
#66Suddenly I am happy only the .org was available for my new project. I am wondering though: Couldn't the US make similar claims on .org and .us (and .edu, .biz?) domains?
Yes. .org is ran within the US too. So are .info, .biz, .edu, .me, .ws, and a bunch more. The problem is most of the ccTLDs are actually operated by one of three companies, all of which are based in the US.
I was checking to see if my .asia domain was safe, and found out that .info, .org, and my beloved .asia tld are operated by Afilias which, according to wikipedia, "is headquartered in Dublin".
I'm prepared to believe that wikipedia is wrong, but you'll have to prove it. with references, citations, and what not :)
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#67Well, PirateBay is a .org
Re: US claims all .com and .net websites are in its jurisdiction
#68FYI, .com/net/org have always belonged to the United States. In the same way that .ca belongs to Canada, com/net/org/us belong to the US. Think of them as the sponsoring organization that originally created them. The only thing the US government has ever given up is control over the registry and DNS management. Under a MoU[1] that facility was handed over to ICANN with the understanding that they would select US base…
"The only thing the US government has ever given up is control over the registry and DNS management. Under a MoU[1] that facility was handed over to ICANN ..." That's just a bureaucratic illusion. As we can see from recent domain seizures, the feds can take over any of these domains, unilaterally, and without any notice or due process.
Assets used in the commission of a crime can be seized regardless of if you are charged or even found guilty of that crime. Cars, boats, and houses are regularly seized from suspected drug dealers.
None of these people have been deprived of due process. The due process is to go to the courts to challenge it.
If you don't like either of these points, you'll need to go to the courts and have the laws changed or thrown out. Thats how America works.
EDIT: Downvotes are not how you disagree on HN. Well thought out replies are.
Re: US claims all .com and .net websites are in its jurisdiction
#69I ask this completely seriously. What would it take to declare the domain of the internet as its own sovereign entity? The internet to me has become greater than just a communications network. It is a place where people connect/work/play. DNS is a natural resource, and should be regulated by all that is affected by it.
It's certainly interesting, but I don't think the internet could be considered its own sovereign entity. One major problem is that the "internet" is just an emergent property of lots of connected machines, and all of those machines have to physically exist somewhere within another sovereign entity.
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#70I ask this completely seriously. What would it take to declare the domain of the internet as its own sovereign entity? The internet to me has become greater than just a communications network. It is a place where people connect/work/play. DNS is a natural resource, and should be regulated by all that is affected by it.
It's certainly interesting, but I don't think the internet could be considered its own sovereign entity. One major problem is that the "internet" is just an emergent property of lots of connected machines, and all of those machines have to physically exist somewhere within another sovereign entity.
What if the entity was a p2p program that was miraculously internationally recognized? The hard part to me convincing governments to give up power.