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US claims all .com and .net websites are in its jurisdiction

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Re: US claims all .com and .net websites are in its jurisdiction

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Post by sandGorgon »

blhack wrote: post #7
imrehg wrote: post #6

Why is online piracy such a big business (and hence a problem to the rights holders)? Because there are no comparable legal alternatives. So instead of technology and business innovation, let's do legal innovation and sue them people regardless of where they are.

>Why is online piracy such a big business (and hence a problem to the rights holders)? Because there are no comparable legal alternatives. I want to agree with you, because I wish that was the case, but it isn't. The 15-25 set just doesn't care. If they can get a movie for free on bittorrent, or pay $20/mo to stream as many as they want, they'll go for bittorrent the majority of the time.

Steam.

FTFY.

Re: US claims all .com and .net websites are in its jurisdiction

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Post by yellowbkpk »

blhack wrote: post #7
imrehg wrote: post #6

Why is online piracy such a big business (and hence a problem to the rights holders)? Because there are no comparable legal alternatives. So instead of technology and business innovation, let's do legal innovation and sue them people regardless of where they are.

>Why is online piracy such a big business (and hence a problem to the rights holders)? Because there are no comparable legal alternatives. I want to agree with you, because I wish that was the case, but it isn't. The 15-25 set just doesn't care. If they can get a movie for free on bittorrent, or pay $20/mo to stream as many as they want, they'll go for bittorrent the majority of the time.

I have to disagree with you quite a bit... the 15-25's care immensely about this. They might not express it the same we do, but media consumption (and in some cases production) is their entire life. They want to consume as quickly and easily as possible. BitTorrent and other "black market" sources are currently the easiest and fastest ways to consume their media.

My sister also (like my sibling comment) tried Netflix, Hulu, and the other streaming media systems. Netflix doesn't have the content they care about, Hulu was great until they were flooded with commercials. The first media business that figures out how to sell to this generation will get adoption quickly.

This isn't a new story. They've been trying (and getting close: look at the SNL digital shorts and marketing campaigns like the Old Spice Guy) but so far haven't quite won over BitTorrent et al. yet. The longer they wait, the closer their product gets to the $0.99 song from iTunes in that the average consumer won't be willing to pay much more than $1 for it.

Re: US claims all .com and .net websites are in its jurisdiction

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Post by blhack »

Unseelie wrote: post #11
blhack wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Why is online piracy such a big business (and hence a problem to the rights holders)? Because there are no comparable legal alternatives. I want to agree with you, because I wish that was the case, but it isn't. The 15-25 set just doesn't care. If they can get a movie for free on bittorrent, or pay $20/mo to stream as many as they want, they'll go for bittorrent the majority of the time.

I'm going to assume you're not in the 15-25 set, by even claiming there's wide commonality between people 15 and 25 years old. 18-25, perhaps. The first major difference is that people approaching 25 have a great deal more money than people at 15. All that aside, I for one notice a huge predilection in my peers (of the 19-22 set)to buy into services such as hulu and netxflix, and to look there first for their media.…

I'm 24, and yes, there is a wide commonality in this group of people.

15 is usually around the age that kids start getting proficient enough with their computer that they can figure out how to bootleg movies. 25 is about the time that they mature out of it.

>The first major difference is that people approaching 25 have a great deal more money than people at 15.

Do they? Most of the people that I know around that age (I'm that age) have very little disposable income. While netflix (which doesn't have even remotely close to the same amount of titles as TPB) is only $8/mo, that $8/mo is a 12 pack of PBR.

>All that aside, I for one notice a huge predilection in my peers (of the 19-22 set)to buy into services such as hulu and netxflix, and to look there first for their media.

Are your peers mostly wealthy (relatively) computer programmers?

>significantly less than the 20 you [c]ite

Netflix and TPB aren't competitors. Do you think that major movie studios would offer all of their titles for $8/mo? There is already several massive experiments (netflix, hulu) taking place to test this, and the result is: no, they wouldn't.

Re: US claims all .com and .net websites are in its jurisdiction

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Post by mahyarm »

blhack wrote: post #7
imrehg wrote: post #6

Why is online piracy such a big business (and hence a problem to the rights holders)? Because there are no comparable legal alternatives. So instead of technology and business innovation, let's do legal innovation and sue them people regardless of where they are.

>Why is online piracy such a big business (and hence a problem to the rights holders)? Because there are no comparable legal alternatives. I want to agree with you, because I wish that was the case, but it isn't. The 15-25 set just doesn't care. If they can get a movie for free on bittorrent, or pay $20/mo to stream as many as they want, they'll go for bittorrent the majority of the time.

I think it's more the have a full time professional income set vs not. I used bittorrent a lot as a student, but nowadays half the time I don't bother and pay for it anyways where in the past I would spend the time to search for it.

Re: US claims all .com and .net websites are in its jurisdiction

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Post by bbatsell »

daimyoyo wrote: post #9

If these sites are in the jurisdiction of the US, aren't they also entitled to the same right of due process? Have any of these seizures been challenged in court? And if so, what's the status of the cases?

One, to my knowledge, and ICE and DoJ engaged in some... rather dubious behavior in response to the target attempting to discuss the actions in good faith.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110613/12021514673/rojadi...

Re: US claims all .com and .net websites are in its jurisdiction

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Post by turbojerry »

I wonder where this will end? Claiming all packets that go through the US are in its jurisdiction? All packets that go through routers supplied by American companies who provide finance for the router? All packets that go through routers owned by a company who has 1 or more American shareholders?

Re: US claims all .com and .net websites are in its jurisdiction

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Post by buro9 »

daimyoyo wrote: post #9

If these sites are in the jurisdiction of the US, aren't they also entitled to the same right of due process? Have any of these seizures been challenged in court? And if so, what's the status of the cases?

Only US citizens have the right of due process.

Re: US claims all .com and .net websites are in its jurisdiction

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Post by oniTony »

Unseelie wrote: post #18
imrehg wrote: post #4

Oh dear, why did I by a .net for my personal domain.... ><

Are there addresses that no country can't claim as in their jurisdiction? Seems to me that you have to be in jurisdiction somewhere. Not to argue that American jurisdiction is necessarily the best..

.onion ? Technically not a real DNS entry, and is not present in DNS root.
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