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Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by dustyharddrive »

bytematic wrote: post #103
simias wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't use Discord but apparently there was some pretty drama a couple of weeks ago because they made a bunch of changes to the UI of the client that apparently the community didn't like. If you want to have control of your platform then don't use closed source, proprietary solutions!

They just changed their logo and primary brand color slightly. Although I agree it is worse, hardly can call that "UI changes"

also fonts were replaced and the background colors of mentions/reactions made less prominent

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by qubidt »

arkitaip wrote: post #26

Is there any policy in place that prevents another freenode incident from happening again? i.e. IPs being sold off in a hostile takeover?

https://libera.chat/about

> Libera Chat is a Swedish nonprofit organisation, feel free to read our bylaws[1]. The organisation is run entirely by volunteer staff who are the members of, and have equal voting power in, the organisation. Libera Chat’s purpose is to provide services such as a community platform for free open-source software and peer directed projects on a volunteer basis.

> Most decisions are taken by the membership as a whole. The board primarily deals with organisational tasks like managing our bookkeeping and keeping the member list in sync...

> The board of the organisation comprises a chair, a treasurer and a representative from each of our specialised teams. Board seats are elected by the membership...

> In addition to this the organisation has two auditors elected by the membership. Their role is to audit the board’s actions on behalf of the membership. Their yearly audit report, along with the annual report and bookkeeping of the organisation, will be published in a yearly transparency report

[1]: https://libera.chat/bylaws

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by Ccecil »

phoe-krk wrote: post #6

The noteworthy (IMO, obviously) communities/projects that I have seen jump ship (either voluntarily or by force) are wikimedia & wikimedia, ubuntu, gentoo, centos, kde, postgres, sourcehut, wesnoth, mutt, vim, emacs, lisp, scheme, clojure, haskell. Any other ones that I haven't seen yet?

#reprap, #smoothieware and #kicad are all on Libera now

edit: I see kliment beat me to it on 2 of those :)

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by foresto »

anaganisk wrote: post #114
kadoban wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do realize you're being sarcastic, but to answer honestly anyway: best way is to use Matrix and bridge to IRC. This allows you to use almost all Matrix functionality without anyone you talk to on IRC being affected by that really at all. Matrix isn't anything like as resource heavy as Slack is I don't think (and to me more importantly it's an open, federated protocol), but to many IRCers it'll seem similar in both…

I dont know how you use matrix but its android and pc client are heavy as hell and buggy, and isnt the desktop apps just electron based? I dont even want to get started with the resource hog of the matrix server instance.

Yes, the desktop version is an Electron app. It's a bit of a pig, but an understandable choice for a small team delivering a truly open e2ee protocol and cross-platform software suite as quickly as they have. I'm willing to tolerate the Electron bloat for now.

The good news is that lighter Matrix clients like Nheko exist, and are steadily improving. I expect to switch within a year.

https://matrix.org/clients/

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by account42 »

supermatt wrote: post #15

This whole freenoda issue is a problem primarily because of the control of the domain name. Who controls libera.chat domain? It says it is a swedish nonprofit (although I cant see any specifics on their website), but the unredacted portions of the whois show it is owned by an Icelandic entity. Sounds like scope for more future drama...

The domain matters less than control of the servers. While the freenode servers were controlled by ohters, Andrew was obviously able (via legal threaths from what it seems) to get the previous staff to relinquish control of them. If it would have just been the domain, getting people to change their client settings to connect somewhere else but keep all channel and user registrations would have been easier.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by supermatt »

fhars wrote: post #148
aaronmdjones wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As has already been explained by others in this thread (e.g. [1]); we are still waiting for the Swedish tax authority to get back to us. We will be happy to publish a registration number when we are assigned one. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27289911

But that explanation was given an hour after the question was asked. I think a lot of the downvotes vor supermatt are caused by HN's sorting by freshness, so many people read his slightly aggressive question after the answers, which makes it sound much more obnoxious than it actually has been in context. [Edit:] And of course as a reaction to asking the same question over and over again.

I don't think i even did ask the same question twice :D

I think my questioning was fair considering the trigger behind the freenode migration in the first place - control of the domain: https://gist.github.com/prawnsalad/4ca20da6c2295ddb06c164679...

If people want to blindly migrate where that same thing can happen, then thats up to them - but downvoting for pointing out the concerns only serves to silence the issue, and that kinda sucks, IMHO.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by account42 »

lupire wrote: post #153

What happens if someone tried to grab operator/whatever control of #foo on Libera before the Freenode #foo op get it?

If the Freenode #foo owners have a legitimate claim (ie they represent a project or community named foo) then they can register that project/community [0] and claim #foo. In case of multiple claims it is up to the Libera operators to find a solution.

While there are no technical restrictions to registering unclaimed channels, on Libera (and also on Freenode before) channels with a single # are not really free for all and on-topic projects and communities have priority.

[0] https://libera.chat/chanreg

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by JeremyNT »

dijit wrote: post #136
loeg wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When the IRC gateway stopped working, I found https://github.com/wee-slack/wee-slack worked pretty well. But I switched employers months ago and no longer have to use Slack, which is even better! (So, I don't know how well it works today.)

You have to install it as an app on slacks side. Some employers don’t allow that.

It's not IRC, but there exists a working libpurple plugin that you just auth as with your normal user account:

https://github.com/dylex/slack-libpurple

I just use it with Pidgin, but there are curses clients too (I'm aware of bitlbee, there are probably others) if you prefer the IRC-style experience.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by rezic »

ziml77 wrote: post #71
simias wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't use Discord but apparently there was some pretty drama a couple of weeks ago because they made a bunch of changes to the UI of the client that apparently the community didn't like. If you want to have control of your platform then don't use closed source, proprietary solutions!

While I do hate that Discord is being used for all chat needs instead of just sticking to being a replacement for Ventrilo or Skype for gaming groups, I want to point out that the drama is a massive overreaction. Discord made very minor style changes and slightly modified their logo, wordmark, and brand color scheme (with the logo being the only one of those you really end up seeing inside the application).

You also forget to mention they changed the font of certain UI elements to the same as the wordmark, namely the server name. The legibility of the new font is objectively worse than the previous one, though as long as it remains exclusive to the server name I agree, it's not that big of a deal.
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