Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

Post by e-v » Wed, May 26, 2021, 9:10 PM UTC

Kaze404 wrote: post #54

curriculum wrote: post #37

I'm most excited for the treesitter integration and its potential to amplify Vim's "killer feature": text editing as a language. Vim's editing language feels most powerful when I'm using its text objects: "ciw" means "change in word", "cis" means "change in sentence", and so on. But Vim's built-in text objects are not always a perfect match for the code you're editing. Suppose you want to change the first argument of…

Are there really no plugins for that? In Doom Emacs "cia" deletes an argument normally, which I assume is done by an evil mode plugin, so I thought there was one for Vim as well.

Post by drbojingle » Wed, May 26, 2021, 9:13 PM UTC

jgb1984 wrote: post #239

I'm a long time (20+ years) vim user, and neovim doesn't fit my use case. I've tried it, most recently today, to have a look at LSP and treesitter. Treesitter added different syntax colors, but the result wasn't necessarily better than vanilla vim. More like an overly decorated christmas tree. LSP and other "make it into an IDE" I usually turn off after a few minutes, it's more of a hindrance than a help. I mainly co…

Post by bashinator » Wed, May 26, 2021, 9:16 PM UTC

bombela wrote: post #157

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #151

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You've oddly crystallized why Kakoune has so far failed to grab me! The description you gave of the actions one takes in editing makes sense: in most non-modal editors, you select the text you want to take actions on, then choose the action to take. But, I can do that in literally every modeless editor! That's the way essentially all of them work. But when people write of "Vim as a text editing language" as many comm…

I tend to pick and measure a piece of wood before turning my saw and cutting. I say that I am cutting the wood. But I select it first before marking it and cutting it. I noticed that I use the visual mode of vim a lot. With easy motion to highlight words or other object boundaries to quickly jump to. I tried kakoune and liked it. But after 15y of (neo)vim it's hard to change. That plus how good You completeMe is for…

Post by kbenson » Wed, May 26, 2021, 9:23 PM UTC

alpaca128 wrote: post #178

bisby wrote: post #170

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That explains a lot. I often have a syntax highlighting quirk where it thinks that a fold has an open quotation mark in it. And will highlight everything below the fold as if it's a part of a string. I unfold, and clears it all up. but it's annoying in the moment. I look forward to all of this

You can often fix it with `:syntax sync fromstart`, but Vim's syntax highlighting just keeps being a bit weird.

Post by necrotic_comp » Wed, May 26, 2021, 9:29 PM UTC

lacksconfidence wrote: post #181

throwaway894345 wrote: post #142

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I’m with the parent. I have to copy and paste all of these different little snippets (in the arcane viml language, although now maybe I can configure with kia?) and annotate what they do, and sometimes they compose poorly and other times they don’t work at all. Many plugins are only available via some of the package managers do you have to use several package managers with their own conventions. Honestly the thing I…

I think the vim philosophy is slightly different. The vim philosophy is if it worked yesterday, it works today. This means, for the most part but not exclusively, not making breaking changes. This means, by proxy, that the defaults were set a long time ago and are unlikely to change. It's a difference in who they consider the most important users, the ones already using it or the new users that might use it in the fu…