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Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by judge2020 »

dharmab wrote: post #119
ziml77 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I do hate that Discord is being used for all chat needs instead of just sticking to being a replacement for Ventrilo or Skype for gaming groups, I want to point out that the drama is a massive overreaction. Discord made very minor style changes and slightly modified their logo, wordmark, and brand color scheme (with the logo being the only one of those you really end up seeing inside the application).

As a colorblind user, the redesign decreased the accessibility of the application. Other users with visual impairments have reported similar issues.

It's just the logo though, no? The actual UI is still the same and no color changes have occurred within the app (for both light mode and dark mode).

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by teawrecks »

ziml77 wrote: post #71
simias wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't use Discord but apparently there was some pretty drama a couple of weeks ago because they made a bunch of changes to the UI of the client that apparently the community didn't like. If you want to have control of your platform then don't use closed source, proprietary solutions!

While I do hate that Discord is being used for all chat needs instead of just sticking to being a replacement for Ventrilo or Skype for gaming groups, I want to point out that the drama is a massive overreaction. Discord made very minor style changes and slightly modified their logo, wordmark, and brand color scheme (with the logo being the only one of those you really end up seeing inside the application).

I use discord almost daily and didn't even notice any changes. The UI is still garbage and it still makes random notification sounds with no indication as to why.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by judge2020 »

CornCobs wrote: post #10

The identical experience of libera chat makes me realize how useful open protocols are, and how much harder it would be to do something like this with some platform like discord

I think that's just because of the simplicity of IRC - migrating off of discord would entail a lot of friction because of the features it gives you, like super granular permissions and access to channels. IRC channels are just places to chat with minor access control, so moving is easy as long as the community/people move.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by kadoban »

anaganisk wrote: post #114
kadoban wrote: post #94

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I do realize you're being sarcastic, but to answer honestly anyway: best way is to use Matrix and bridge to IRC. This allows you to use almost all Matrix functionality without anyone you talk to on IRC being affected by that really at all. Matrix isn't anything like as resource heavy as Slack is I don't think (and to me more importantly it's an open, federated protocol), but to many IRCers it'll seem similar in both…

I dont know how you use matrix but its android and pc client are heavy as hell and buggy, and isnt the desktop apps just electron based? I dont even want to get started with the resource hog of the matrix server instance.

I just run it in browser. It runs "fine" for me. It doesn't bother me in terms of speed or resources. I wouldn't give it any kind of glowing recommendation on that front, I just think it's better than Slack.

Slack crawls for me more than Matrix does, though to be fair I only use them each on totally separate machines, so it's not a fair test.

Raw IRC beats both in resources and responsiveness, but the tradeoffs are well worth it for me to use Matrix personally (to name just one, I consider scrollback to be a required feature, and to get that with IRC requires too much effort/cost).

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by Zarel »

teawrecks wrote: post #132
ziml77 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I do hate that Discord is being used for all chat needs instead of just sticking to being a replacement for Ventrilo or Skype for gaming groups, I want to point out that the drama is a massive overreaction. Discord made very minor style changes and slightly modified their logo, wordmark, and brand color scheme (with the logo being the only one of those you really end up seeing inside the application).

I use discord almost daily and didn't even notice any changes. The UI is still garbage and it still makes random notification sounds with no indication as to why.

The random notification sounds are because default server notification settings are set by the server owner. So when you join a server, its notification setting could be "all messages" or "mentions only" depending on what the server owner set. This setting only affects the notification sound (it doesn't badge the server or anything), so it's easy to misunderstand.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by dijit »

loeg wrote: post #113
rplnt wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not too long ago Slack supported IRC gateways, with limited features of course.

When the IRC gateway stopped working, I found https://github.com/wee-slack/wee-slack worked pretty well. But I switched employers months ago and no longer have to use Slack, which is even better! (So, I don't know how well it works today.)

You have to install it as an app on slacks side. Some employers don’t allow that.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by atatatat »

simias wrote: post #90
lolinder wrote: post #89

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The same is true for any open protocol, at least at first. Any open protocol has to reach widespread usage first, and only then will incumbents have to adopt it. That's an extremely difficult task, but hopefully not impossible.

Is there a single example in recent memory of an open protocol achieving mainstream success without being sponsored by a large company? I really wish something like this Solid protocol would succeed, but I don't see how you could generate enough momentum for it at the moment.

Which large company sponsors Bitcoin?

ActivityPub?

Matrix (before they landed their gov contracts etc)?

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by app4soft »

est31 wrote: post #93
phoe-krk wrote: post #6

The noteworthy (IMO, obviously) communities/projects that I have seen jump ship (either voluntarily or by force) are wikimedia & wikimedia, ubuntu, gentoo, centos, kde, postgres, sourcehut, wesnoth, mutt, vim, emacs, lisp, scheme, clojure, haskell. Any other ones that I haven't seen yet?

3.2k commits as of now: https://github.com/search?p=6&q=libera&type=Commits

> 3.2k commits as of now: https://github.com/search?p=6&q=libera&type=Commits

Not all "libera" commits on GitHub related to "Libera Chat"

There are 470 commits for "libera chat"/"libera.chat"[0,1]

[0] https://github.com/search?q=libera+chat&type=Commits

[1] https://github.com/search?q=libera.chat&type=Commits

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by Zancarius »

IntelMiner wrote: post #116
simias wrote: post #108

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I thought they seemed like trivial changes as well, although not being a user myself I couldn't really form an opinion. Still, it should serve as a wakeup call that the users really aren't in charge and that it can potentially suck. It's a taste of things to come whenever Discord decides to more aggressively monetize themselves for instance. But apparently the conclusion was more that they should insult the devs on t…

I use Discord (grudgingly) and I have to admit I did not, and do not, give a single shit about the change. It's a god damn icon for like 99% of people I guess some people just want to sit and gawk at their start menu for hours on end and Discords change has broken that zen-like meditation for them or something

I feel it's a classic example of bikeshedding. Except this is 2021, so the obvious solution is apparently harassment, anger, and vitriol.

Someone up-thread made mention of the stylistic changes being problematic for people with visual impairment or low vision, which would seem to me to be a much more serious issue than a stupid icon.

But, what do I know? When they announced the change, I had an incredibly difficult time feeling anything other than indifference. Why people would be upset is beyond me.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by nulld3v »

judge2020 wrote: post #131
dharmab wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a colorblind user, the redesign decreased the accessibility of the application. Other users with visual impairments have reported similar issues.

It's just the logo though, no? The actual UI is still the same and no color changes have occurred within the app (for both light mode and dark mode).

There were a couple color changes made. I'm on the dark theme and this is what I saw:

They made the blue on some buttons more saturated. I don't really have a problem with this.

They made the highlight color of user and channel mentions more brighter. This hurt readability as the text is white. Making the background of the text brighter decreases contrast.

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