One week of Libera Chat • Hacker News Board

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by Jiocus » Wed, May 26, 2021, 3:18 PM UTC

majewsky wrote: post #95

Jiocus wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why is the domain owned by an icelandic entity instead of the nonprofit? According to the WHOIS information, the registration of libera.chat was made 2021-04-23. This registration was made ~1 month before the organisation Libera Chat was announced. As far as I can tell, the organisation could not have made the registration as a legal entity before existing. Seeing the registrar is Namecheap, I guess someone made th…

> As far as I can tell, the organisation could not have made the registration as a legal entity before existing. Domain name ownership can be transferred. It's trivial for a founding member to register the domain name first, then transfer ownership to the organisation once it has been founded.

Of course, but many services would require a registered VAT number to be able to fulfill a purchase or transfer to an organisation. Or rather, to set up such an account in the first place.

Frankly, WHOIS records is to crude a metric to really pass judgement on anything nowadays. The masked entries in the lookup for libera.chat i.e. "REDACTED FOR PRIVACY", are typical of registrars not overstepping GDPR compliance when making them public.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by bencollier49 » Wed, May 26, 2021, 3:48 PM UTC

NoahTheDuke wrote: post #77

bencollier49 wrote: post #4

This controversy has got me back on IRC. It feels good to be sitting in chatrooms and occasionally able to pitch in and help people. And the interface is better than Slack. :-)

What client do you use?

Textual.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by loeg » Wed, May 26, 2021, 4:01 PM UTC

rplnt wrote: post #65

CornCobs wrote: post #10

The identical experience of libera chat makes me realize how useful open protocols are, and how much harder it would be to do something like this with some platform like discord

Not too long ago Slack supported IRC gateways, with limited features of course.

When the IRC gateway stopped working, I found https://github.com/wee-slack/wee-slack worked pretty well. But I switched employers months ago and no longer have to use Slack, which is even better! (So, I don't know how well it works today.)

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by anaganisk » Wed, May 26, 2021, 4:44 PM UTC

kadoban wrote: post #94

rplnt wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a way to get similar feel that slack has for irc? You know, half a gigabyte of client data, at least 1GB of ram usage, multiple processes, high cpu load?

I do realize you're being sarcastic, but to answer honestly anyway: best way is to use Matrix and bridge to IRC. This allows you to use almost all Matrix functionality without anyone you talk to on IRC being affected by that really at all. Matrix isn't anything like as resource heavy as Slack is I don't think (and to me more importantly it's an open, federated protocol), but to many IRCers it'll seem similar in both…

I dont know how you use matrix but its android and pc client are heavy as hell and buggy, and isnt the desktop apps just electron based? I dont even want to get started with the resource hog of the matrix server instance.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by mike-cardwell » Wed, May 26, 2021, 5:02 PM UTC

jcpham2 wrote: post #107

All the cryptocurrency channels bitcoin monero etc the ones I care about migrated to libera.chat ASAP

If you want them to move to Libera, just join the channels and write the word "libera" in there.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by IntelMiner » Wed, May 26, 2021, 5:06 PM UTC

simias wrote: post #108

ziml77 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I do hate that Discord is being used for all chat needs instead of just sticking to being a replacement for Ventrilo or Skype for gaming groups, I want to point out that the drama is a massive overreaction. Discord made very minor style changes and slightly modified their logo, wordmark, and brand color scheme (with the logo being the only one of those you really end up seeing inside the application).

I thought they seemed like trivial changes as well, although not being a user myself I couldn't really form an opinion. Still, it should serve as a wakeup call that the users really aren't in charge and that it can potentially suck. It's a taste of things to come whenever Discord decides to more aggressively monetize themselves for instance. But apparently the conclusion was more that they should insult the devs on t…

I use Discord (grudgingly) and I have to admit

I did not, and do not, give a single shit about the change. It's a god damn icon for like 99% of people

I guess some people just want to sit and gawk at their start menu for hours on end and Discords change has broken that zen-like meditation for them or something

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by spike021 » Wed, May 26, 2021, 5:13 PM UTC

CornCobs wrote: post #10

The identical experience of libera chat makes me realize how useful open protocols are, and how much harder it would be to do something like this with some platform like discord

I wouldn't say it was a 1:1 identical experience; registering was a pain as there was no process to take over user registrations or channel registrations from freenode.

But, assuming you did those things smoothly then it was pretty identical and as simple as changing your client config to connect to libera instead of freenode.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by noir_lord » Wed, May 26, 2021, 5:13 PM UTC

mst wrote: post #61

Tenoke wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm guessing a random person invested in freenode over the years rather than staff or anyone involved.

Nah, it's a set of idiot trolls we've been dealing with for years - they've also been trying to spam libera in "support" of freenode but libera have people who know how to deal with IRC spam so it's not gone nearly as well.

> but libera have people who know how to deal with IRC spam so it's not gone nearly as well.

That says it all really doesn't it :).

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by dharmab » Wed, May 26, 2021, 5:29 PM UTC

ziml77 wrote: post #71

simias wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't use Discord but apparently there was some pretty drama a couple of weeks ago because they made a bunch of changes to the UI of the client that apparently the community didn't like. If you want to have control of your platform then don't use closed source, proprietary solutions!

While I do hate that Discord is being used for all chat needs instead of just sticking to being a replacement for Ventrilo or Skype for gaming groups, I want to point out that the drama is a massive overreaction. Discord made very minor style changes and slightly modified their logo, wordmark, and brand color scheme (with the logo being the only one of those you really end up seeing inside the application).

As a colorblind user, the redesign decreased the accessibility of the application. Other users with visual impairments have reported similar issues.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by capableweb » Wed, May 26, 2021, 5:30 PM UTC

phoe-krk wrote: post #6

The noteworthy (IMO, obviously) communities/projects that I have seen jump ship (either voluntarily or by force) are wikimedia & wikimedia, ubuntu, gentoo, centos, kde, postgres, sourcehut, wesnoth, mutt, vim, emacs, lisp, scheme, clojure, haskell. Any other ones that I haven't seen yet?

> clojure

While there is a #clojure on both Freenode and Libera, it's not official as far as I know. Also, https://clojure.org/community/resources still links to the Freenode channel. Most of the Clojure community hangs around on Zulip and Slack (Clojurians) more than IRC anyways.