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Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by lacksconfidence »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #142
dorian-graph wrote: post #132

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> But, getting into optimal setup in neovim/vim involves lot of configuration. I haven't found this to be true. I've basically copied the configs from READMEs and have everything working.

I’m with the parent. I have to copy and paste all of these different little snippets (in the arcane viml language, although now maybe I can configure with kia?) and annotate what they do, and sometimes they compose poorly and other times they don’t work at all. Many plugins are only available via some of the package managers do you have to use several package managers with their own conventions. Honestly the thing I…

I think the vim philosophy is slightly different. The vim philosophy is if it worked yesterday, it works today. This means, for the most part but not exclusively, not making breaking changes. This means, by proxy, that the defaults were set a long time ago and are unlikely to change. It's a difference in who they consider the most important users, the ones already using it or the new users that might use it in the future.

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

curriculum wrote: post #56
anaganisk wrote: post #36

I have an honest question, the real advantage of Vi is its installed everywhere, and just works over ssh. What is the benefit of a terminal IDE like neovim or vim with tens of something plugins? Vscode or other powerful IDEs do the work much better.

It's a good question. I'm very critical of my tools and I'm a 10+ year vim user, so I've thought a lot about this. vim's "killer feature" is its text editing language and modality. But plenty of other editors and IDEs offer vim emulation to varying degrees of success. So this can't be the reason to use (neo)vim-the-binary as my editor over, e.g., VSCode. So for me the real advantage of vim is in its flexibility. I ca…

> vim's "killer feature" is its text editing language and modality. But plenty of other editors and IDEs offer vim emulation to varying degrees of success. So this can't be the reason to use (neo)vim-the-binary as my editor over, e.g., VSCode.

"varying degrees of success" is rather short of "sufficiently to not cause problems"; in my experience they're only good enough to get into the uncanny valley of "will this work" hesitation before every keystroke outside the most common.

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by continuational »

addicted wrote: post #109
knuthsat wrote: post #105

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Yeah, just recently I had to edit text like this 'name1', 'name2', 'name3', to: 'name1': Enum.Name1, 'name2': Enum.Name2, 'name3': Enum.Name3, by the time I figured out a sequence of keyboard commands I'm pretty sure I could have multicursored it pretty easily, go to name1, create 2 cursors, select word & copy, start typing : Enum., paste selected word, select word, capitalize, type , In vim it was something like qdy…

Or, you could have hit qt, recorded your commands for the first change, and then replicated it for every other line with a simple @t, instead of redoing all the changes each time. You don't have to learn command. You simply need to know how to edit with VIM. And multi cursors only work for tabular data. The macro recordings can work for the entire document where you call a macro on a word/regex you searched for, for…

Nope, you can do find > select all to get multiple selections and edit those simultaneously.

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by heatmiser »

chousuke wrote: post #143
knuthsat wrote: post #105

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Yeah, just recently I had to edit text like this 'name1', 'name2', 'name3', to: 'name1': Enum.Name1, 'name2': Enum.Name2, 'name3': Enum.Name3, by the time I figured out a sequence of keyboard commands I'm pretty sure I could have multicursored it pretty easily, go to name1, create 2 cursors, select word & copy, start typing : Enum., paste selected word, select word, capitalize, type , In vim it was something like qdy…

I think I would've used something like :s/'\(.*\)',/'\1': Enum.\1,/g and then ctrl-v to block-select all the first characters and U to uppercase them. Vi's not always about finding the most efficient way to do something, but having a composable language to do tricks like these comfortably builds up into your own dialect over time.

I’m often fallback on the sed match-replace strategy for things like this.

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by tjdevries »

harryvederci wrote: post #29

Big fan of Neovim 0.5! It's not released yet, but I'm already using it as my Clojure "IDE" at work, and all my nvim configs are written in Fennel, a lispy language that compiles to Lua. I guess it's time for me to start donating to Olical, Technomancy, and the Neovim crew, they do some amazing work! If you want to learn (Neo)Vim and don't mind a dose of hyperactive video learning, I recommend watching ThePrimeagen hi…

unacceptable ;)

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by vukgr »

knuthsat wrote: post #105
azinman2 wrote: post #67

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Do you find your brain can actually work that way? My issue with all of these relative jump points, repeat this N times, etc of VIM is by the time I’ve calculated in my mind what the command should be I’d have already done it with just standard navigation/mark/yank/repeat. But perhaps you have galaxy brain ;)

Yeah, just recently I had to edit text like this 'name1', 'name2', 'name3', to: 'name1': Enum.Name1, 'name2': Enum.Name2, 'name3': Enum.Name3, by the time I figured out a sequence of keyboard commands I'm pretty sure I could have multicursored it pretty easily, go to name1, create 2 cursors, select word & copy, start typing : Enum., paste selected word, select word, capitalize, type , In vim it was something like qdy…

I'm surprised everyone's forgetting vim already has a proto-multicursor mode. Go into Visual Block mode (Ctrl-V) select all the lines then it's just A: Enum.Name0,

After that you can just select it again in visual mode and g Ctrl-A to get the right numbers.

If anything the g Ctrl-A part makes Vim way better than most multicursor editors.

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by tjdevries »

yanis_t wrote: post #180
tjdevries wrote: post #169

It always feels really nice knowing that people are getting excited by your work. Thanks for the shoutout! (I'm tjdevries) Happy to answer any nvim questions while I'm here.

When is it going to get released?

https://twitter.com/TeejDeVries/status/1396881477263036417 ;)

(I hope you are in on the meme, otherwise I am sorry for posting our "inside joke" response)

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by comma_at »

mjlbach wrote: post #55
varbhat wrote: post #2

Neovim 0.5 is awesome. It has native LSP support, Lua configuration support that it feels like true revolution over past versions. But, getting into optimal setup in neovim/vim involves lot of configuration. Here is mine if you want to refer: https://github.com/varbhat/dotfiles/tree/main/dot_config/nvi...

I don't agree that it requires a lot of configuration. Here is the "starter" configuration (~280 lines) that I made for helping debug user issues with the built-in language server client: https://github.com/mjlbach/defaults.nvim

You think 280loc as a starter is not much?

Re: Neovim 0.5 is overpowering

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Post by redrobein »

SPBS wrote: post #15

I use nvim in the terminal and gvim/macvim on the desktop. I don't like how the nvim community seems to be throwing themselves wholeheartedly into lua and lua-only plugins (vimscript plugins are better because they work with both vim and neovim). Switching to init.lua also means losing all compatibility with vim, and I cannot fathom why people would want to do that considering that there is nothing that init.vim cann…

I recommend checking out gui frontends for nvim on desktop. I've been using neovide[1] for a while now and it's decent. I also found out that you can use nvim as a backend with the vscode-vim plugin which will load your nvim config and scripts.

[1] https://github.com/Kethku/neovide

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