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Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by supermatt »

wut42 wrote: post #76
supermatt wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not at all. Why is the domain owned by an icelandic entity instead of the nonprofit? Where is the company registration number of the nonprofit (required to open a bank account - where will donations be held, etc). Its all very vague and handwavy at the moment - just like early days of freenode... EDIT: Loads of downvotes, but why? Any of you want to leave a comment instead of just downvoting?

I think you are getting downvoted because you're making points that I've already responded to you. Libera is a week old. It may have been started to get in shape before the launch and mass resign of a week ago, but give them time to create the org properly (which, again, is in progress, and was already a week ago).

Heh, and I wrote it before you even responded :D

This comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27289097 Your comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27289100

Im happy to give them time - im just pointing out the current state of things, and what sets off my alarm bells. These are all things that can be addressed, no doubt.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by Jiocus »

supermatt wrote: post #22
Jiocus wrote: post #21

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Is https://libera.chat/about specific enough?

Not at all. Why is the domain owned by an icelandic entity instead of the nonprofit? Where is the company registration number of the nonprofit (required to open a bank account - where will donations be held, etc). Its all very vague and handwavy at the moment - just like early days of freenode... EDIT: Loads of downvotes, but why? Any of you want to leave a comment instead of just downvoting?

> Why is the domain owned by an icelandic entity instead of the nonprofit?

According to the WHOIS information, the registration of libera.chat was made 2021-04-23. This registration was made ~1 month before the organisation Libera Chat was announced. As far as I can tell, the organisation could not have made the registration as a legal entity before existing.

Seeing the registrar is Namecheap, I guess someone made the registration and made use of the zero-cost Whoisguard service available. Perhaps the registrant's contact details point to Iceland. Some of my domains point to Panama, what gives.

> Where is the company registration number of the nonprofit (required to open a bank account - where will donations be held, etc).

As the OP title suggests, Libera Chat was assembled a week ago. There is no Swedish law requiring that an organisation registers, but as you suggest, it will be necessary to register a legal entity for financial purposes. Fulfilling the paperwork of registering a non-profit organisation with Skatteverket and thus receiving an ORG number generally comes after the fact of the foundation of said organisation.

Non-profit organisations in Sweden are real and protected entities, registration or not.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by hibbelig »

hnarn wrote: post #67
ta8645 wrote: post #46

How is Libera meant to be pronounced? L-eye-beer-ah, or maybe "liberal" without the trailing ell? Freenode was such a great name, this one is hard to warm up to in the same way.

It's an English word, you can listen to it here: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/libera

OT: That entry says it's the name of a deity. Are names "words"? And are Italian names English words?

This is meant to be an honest question, I just don't know. Intuitively, I was surprised.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by hnarn »

hibbelig wrote: post #85
hnarn wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's an English word, you can listen to it here: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/libera

OT: That entry says it's the name of a deity. Are names "words"? And are Italian names English words? This is meant to be an honest question, I just don't know. Intuitively, I was surprised.

My personal opinion is that if you can find it in an English dictionary, it's an English word. It's pretty common, in English as it is in all languages, that the pronunciation differs from that of the original language from which the name originated.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by wut42 »

supermatt wrote: post #81
wut42 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are getting downvoted because you're making points that I've already responded to you. Libera is a week old. It may have been started to get in shape before the launch and mass resign of a week ago, but give them time to create the org properly (which, again, is in progress, and was already a week ago).

Heh, and I wrote it before you even responded :D This comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27289097 Your comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27289100 Im happy to give them time - im just pointing out the current state of things, and what sets off my alarm bells. These are all things that can be addressed, no doubt.

Ha! Sorry, didn't noticed this one when I replied before to you, so I thought it was new.

All the bells you are ringing has been pointed already (and since Libera got opened), it's in progress. I trust them to do the correct things, and will be addressed soon. Maybe as you said in another comment that it should have been made more clear on their website, tho.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by bierjunge »

chishaku wrote: post #60
phoe-krk wrote: post #6

The noteworthy (IMO, obviously) communities/projects that I have seen jump ship (either voluntarily or by force) are wikimedia & wikimedia, ubuntu, gentoo, centos, kde, postgres, sourcehut, wesnoth, mutt, vim, emacs, lisp, scheme, clojure, haskell. Any other ones that I haven't seen yet?

Is irc the primary means of communication for all these projects?

IRC and mailing lists are still the most important communication channels for a lot of projects (see: kernel.org and similar projects). It haven't changed for 30+ years and I hope it won't change in the future.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by lolinder »

simias wrote: post #63
ajacksified wrote: post #42

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Good usecase for Solid ( https://solidproject.org/ ).

I fully expected some blockchain nonsense opening your link, I'm pleasantly surprised. It seems like an interesting project but I wonder if it has any chance of reaching critical mass. The incumbents have no incentives to interoperate with such a protocol as far as I can tell.

The same is true for any open protocol, at least at first. Any open protocol has to reach widespread usage first, and only then will incumbents have to adopt it. That's an extremely difficult task, but hopefully not impossible.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Post by simias »

lolinder wrote: post #89
simias wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fully expected some blockchain nonsense opening your link, I'm pleasantly surprised. It seems like an interesting project but I wonder if it has any chance of reaching critical mass. The incumbents have no incentives to interoperate with such a protocol as far as I can tell.

The same is true for any open protocol, at least at first. Any open protocol has to reach widespread usage first, and only then will incumbents have to adopt it. That's an extremely difficult task, but hopefully not impossible.

Is there a single example in recent memory of an open protocol achieving mainstream success without being sponsored by a large company?

I really wish something like this Solid protocol would succeed, but I don't see how you could generate enough momentum for it at the moment.

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