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Re: Vietnam War images from the North Vietnamese side

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Post by cies »

cies wrote: post #398

The US is repeatedly on the wrong side of history. And they cannot even face that. Red scare. Supporting neo-liberal-to-fascist govts. Yelling democracy but then killing democratically chosen representatives when they do not "suit de US likings". Bitching about some "meddling" in their election when the history is full of US meddling in democratic process of other nations. Giving "foreign aid" to apartheid regimes. U…

Now I know HN is not all about jokes. But this came to mind in context of this most horrible war the Viet had to fight to gain independence from their colonial overlords:

https://www.reddit.com/r/dankmemes/comments/6zefas/the_flag_...

Re: Vietnam War images from the North Vietnamese side

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Post by lenkite »

badmadrad wrote: post #274
mort1merp0 wrote: post #164

I have a friend who served as a tank gunner in Vietnam. Has was wounded and sent home. He ended up with 4 teeth left after his jaw has been shot. He refused to accept that the US lost. No amount of reasoning would make him budge on that opinion. I dropped the subject as it was a risk to our friendship. I understand where he is coming from though. To have lost so many friends in addition to his personal injury, it wou…

it wasn't all for nothing. there was time when Americans cared about advancing a free world. Free from soviet style communism. And this was an ideal worth sacrificing for. Unfortunately, Americans have been demoralized by propaganda to the point of seeing freedom as something not worth dying for.

Clearly, you are not a citizen of a nation who has been the target of one of the US's efforts. Crippling sanctions, extra-ordinary hypocrisy and outright lies/propaganda in the name of 'freedom', support of hard-core and insane terrorists as 'freedom-fighting' rebels, etc.

Re: Vietnam War images from the North Vietnamese side

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Post by Nimitz14 »

> Viet Cong meet the enemy face-to-face, most likely in the Mekong Delta or Plain of Reeds. This rare image shows both sides in combat, ARVN soldiers at the top and Viet Cong in the foreground. The VC have flanked the enemy at left and right, which likely meant the ARVN unit was wiped out.

This photo is a well known to be staged.

Makes me doubt the authenticity of everything else.

Re: Vietnam War images from the North Vietnamese side

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Post by qwerty456127 »

michelpp wrote: post #345
chewz wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mind that Monika was reporting for largest communist daily in Poland - her books are good reporting, lots of focus on people involved in the war but there is also a propaganda narrative. On the other hand her reporting angle is much better then some Western "useful idots"[1] like Tiziano Terzani [0] (der Spiegel), who had been calling Pol-pot 'great man with a vision for a nation' even on his deathbed. [0] https://en…

That's something that I think can be put into context with a short preface. I think propaganda is some of the most interesting parts of history.

Sure, it used to be. I'm sad beautiful propaganda is gone and all the propaganda is about stupid internet trolling nowadays.

Re: Vietnam War images from the North Vietnamese side

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Post by trasz »

rudolfwinestock wrote: post #161
nguyenkien wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell your neighbors come and talk with people from Mỹ Lai

Those responsible for what happened there received due process of law and were punished. Communists, on the other hand, either suppress or celebrate their own atrocities.

Erm, that’s a lie. US is pretty good at protecting its war criminals, and it was quite visible in this case, where only a single one of the perpetrators has been punished, and the punishment was hilariously low (iirc just a few years of prison).

Re: Vietnam War images from the North Vietnamese side

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Post by jacquesm »

jgwil2 wrote: post #129
marcodiego wrote: post #71

The photo https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-StC-dVAdOns/YK081DEgPdI/AAAAAAAAd... is probably a captured M16 since, AFAIK, Vietnam used AK-47. What impressed me the most: "Using home-brewed chemicals, they developed their pictures in the open air or in underground tunnels" if by chemicals to develop photos in open air means no need for a dark room, that is really not something easy to do with then available technology. It is…

> Also "The Americans denuded the landscape with chemicals to deny cover to the Viet Cong." means chemical weapons. I believe the distinction is that Agent Orange was not used as a weapon per se, in that it wasn't applied to people, but rather was used to destroy plants. Please note I'm not making any claims about the ethics of its use.

Defoliation. A precursor for a lot of that junk was made by Philips-Duphar, and dumped in a polder 25 km North of Amsterdam. The cleanup operation continues today... Dioxin, 2-4-5-T, very nasty stuff.

Article about this: https://www.volgermeer.nl/artikel/na-de-ontploffing-kwam-de-... (dutch)

Re: Vietnam War images from the North Vietnamese side

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Post by hansor »

cies wrote: post #398

The US is repeatedly on the wrong side of history. And they cannot even face that. Red scare. Supporting neo-liberal-to-fascist govts. Yelling democracy but then killing democratically chosen representatives when they do not "suit de US likings". Bitching about some "meddling" in their election when the history is full of US meddling in democratic process of other nations. Giving "foreign aid" to apartheid regimes. U…

You should investigate CIA/NATO funded clandestine operations such us GLADIO involving terror attacks in Europe against civilians. AKA "strategy of tension".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_Due

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:J...

>The August 2, 1980 bombing of the Bologna train station which killed 85 people, is widely recognized as a Gladio operation. While it was initially blamed on the communist “Red Brigades,” eventually, right-wing and fascists elements were discoverd to be the culprits. Two Italian secret service agents and Licio Gelli, the head of the infamous P2 Masonic lodge, were convicted in connection to the bombing.

>1969: “In Italy, the Piazza Fontana massacre in Milan kills 16 and injures and maims 80 [….] during a trial of rightwing extremists General Giandelio Maletti, former head of Italian counterintelligence, alleges that the massacre had been carried out by the Italian stay-behind army and rightwing terrorists on the orders of the US secret service CIA in order to discredit Italian Communists.”

Re: Vietnam War images from the North Vietnamese side

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Post by noduerme »

cies wrote: post #401
cies wrote: post #398

The US is repeatedly on the wrong side of history. And they cannot even face that. Red scare. Supporting neo-liberal-to-fascist govts. Yelling democracy but then killing democratically chosen representatives when they do not "suit de US likings". Bitching about some "meddling" in their election when the history is full of US meddling in democratic process of other nations. Giving "foreign aid" to apartheid regimes. U…

Now I know HN is not all about jokes. But this came to mind in context of this most horrible war the Viet had to fight to gain independence from their colonial overlords: https://www.reddit.com/r/dankmemes/comments/6zefas/the_flag_...

Never mind the horrors inflicted by the North on their newly liberated Southern brethren, 800,000 of whom fled by boat (many to take up successful lives as immigrants in the evil, racist USA).

Re: Vietnam War images from the North Vietnamese side

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Post by mentatz »

jimmies wrote: post #19

I am a software developer in the US with a Vietnamese origin, so I am no historian and my views are probably skewed. I am among the minority Northern Vietnamese people in the US, most Vietnamese people in the Bay Area are (refugees) from the South. People can tell where one comes from with one's accent. It was undeniable that much suffering and injustice was done for Southern people, especially after the war ended. S…

Hey look, yet another simpleton confusing the 15-republics-wide USSR (encompassing over 100 national ethnicities) with the single republic of Russia. You sure seem like an expert on these matters.
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