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Siemens acquires Supplyframe, owners of Hackaday and Tindie

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Re: Siemens acquires Supplyframe, owners of Hackaday and Tindie

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This is great news for Supplyframe. But there is a darker undercurrent here that really needs some introspection. The "makers market" of today doesn't work. Let's compare the market between say 1975 and 1985 with the market between 2010 and 2020. Money spent on the early market supported no less than 6 monthly printed magazines, several chains of electronics component stores (Radio Shack/Tandy/Dick Smiths/Marples(sp?…

Is 33 million dollars of revenue per year considered small?

Re: Siemens acquires Supplyframe, owners of Hackaday and Tindie

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That's all very unfortunate. Having worked with German behemoth companies before I can't think of any positive outcomes.

Eh, no need to be that narrow: What fraction of all acquisitions end well for the acquired company? I'm sure it must happen, but (at the risk of availability bias) I can't actually think of any.

Re: Siemens acquires Supplyframe, owners of Hackaday and Tindie

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It's always interesting to me what kind of stuff Siemens gets into these days. My grandpa was a Siemens lifer building power plants and actually lived in Siemensstadt before and during WWII. Hard to imagine what the connection to hobby electronics is.

Siemens makes an enormous range of electrical and electronic products. One of my favorite YouChube channels, Homo Faciens, used to have a lot of really great stuff about improvising electromechanical systems out of junk, but more recently it's been shilling Siemens products that replace the junk he used to use. So apparently if you're into that kind of thing, Siemens has a lot of products to sell you.

It's a shame SupplyFrame wasn't profitable enough to remain independent, but as acquirers go, Siemens seems pretty reasonable.

Re: Siemens acquires Supplyframe, owners of Hackaday and Tindie

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure they feel ashamed or should; USD 0.7 billion solves a lot of problems for the owners/employees. What was your offer?

> I'm not sure they feel ashamed or should; USD 0.7 billion solves a lot of problems for the owners/employees. Selling a company ALMOST NEVER benefits the employees. It ALMOST ALWAYS benefits the owners who sell. And giving the snarky AF comment of "What was your offer?" is asinine and you should be ashamed of even going there.

Most high-tech startups have a significant percentage of their stock held by their employees, though I don't know if that was the case here; Torrone's note about hackaday's history suggests otherwise.

Re: Siemens acquires Supplyframe, owners of Hackaday and Tindie

#75

This is great news for Supplyframe. But there is a darker undercurrent here that really needs some introspection. The "makers market" of today doesn't work. Let's compare the market between say 1975 and 1985 with the market between 2010 and 2020. Money spent on the early market supported no less than 6 monthly printed magazines, several chains of electronics component stores (Radio Shack/Tandy/Dick Smiths/Marples(sp?…

Purely anecdotally it looks to me that a lot of it moved to (pretty profitable) youtube channels, all the way from Mark Roper, to Applied Science, Simone Giertz, Michael Reeves, etc.

Re: Siemens acquires Supplyframe, owners of Hackaday and Tindie

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post #47

As a Tindie seller, I have hopes that this injection of cash will address several outstanding issues with the platform. I sell a DIY touchscreen home automation controller that I build by hand in my basement[1]. My product is targeted at DIY types interested in owning their own home automation environment. The project utilizes a 3D printed enclosure, a custom PCB, an ESP8266, Nextion LCD, and a few supporting compone…

> I sell a DIY touchscreen home automation controller that I build by hand in my basement[1].

This sounds like a disruptive competitor to existing Siemens product lines (50% of the functionality for 5% of the price). Maybe your best hope is that Siemens management doesn't notice that Tindie is a sales channel for things like this.

Re: Siemens acquires Supplyframe, owners of Hackaday and Tindie

#77

This is great news for Supplyframe. But there is a darker undercurrent here that really needs some introspection. The "makers market" of today doesn't work. Let's compare the market between say 1975 and 1985 with the market between 2010 and 2020. Money spent on the early market supported no less than 6 monthly printed magazines, several chains of electronics component stores (Radio Shack/Tandy/Dick Smiths/Marples(sp?…

I disagree with your take on the "makers" market. The maker world is far more interesting today than in 1985.

Yes, there are no "brick and mortar" stores because in 1985, brick and mortar was the only type of store that existed. Nowadays, Internet shopping is so developed that Adafruit, Sparkfun, Digi-Key, etc. don't need brick and mortar stores. The experience of shopping for parts online is much better than at a Radioshack -- it's not like you need to physically inspect a 555 timer to gain any information about it before you buy it, like you would with a winter jacket. The only thing lost is the ability to get a part today which sometimes sucks but that's life. We don't need 6 magazines anymore because people put their code on Github and their projects on YouTube, and for free. Profits in the industry are probably lower but that's because there's more competition from other vendors and from people just sharing this stuff with no profit motive, which maybe sucks for the industry but is fantastic for the hobbyists of limited means.

Today, hobbyist makers are building stuff that actually does something useful, that has no commercial substitute. With Github, YouTube, forums, people are inspiring each other to make more interesting things than in 1985. Back in 1985 people were usually building stuff that could be bought. Today people are building stuff that can't be bought, and if there's enough of a market for it they productize it with Kickstarter or Tindie. People are sharing code and board designs and projects, and whether at the high end like Mark Rober or the low end like some guy's homebrewing controller the maker world is really bursting with success.

Re: Siemens acquires Supplyframe, owners of Hackaday and Tindie

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post #60

This is great news for Supplyframe. But there is a darker undercurrent here that really needs some introspection. The "makers market" of today doesn't work. Let's compare the market between say 1975 and 1985 with the market between 2010 and 2020. Money spent on the early market supported no less than 6 monthly printed magazines, several chains of electronics component stores (Radio Shack/Tandy/Dick Smiths/Marples(sp?…

> like Adafruit, but even there the margins are tight and the operations are small I'm surprised, Adafruit has a 50-100% markup on most items compared to Aliexpress/other Chinese electronics.

Yes, but you get it fast, with service and no random customs problems. Sometimes for things that don't scale ($20 vs $10 one time) it may not matter much for some.

Re: Siemens acquires Supplyframe, owners of Hackaday and Tindie

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post #60

This is great news for Supplyframe. But there is a darker undercurrent here that really needs some introspection. The "makers market" of today doesn't work. Let's compare the market between say 1975 and 1985 with the market between 2010 and 2020. Money spent on the early market supported no less than 6 monthly printed magazines, several chains of electronics component stores (Radio Shack/Tandy/Dick Smiths/Marples(sp?…

> like Adafruit, but even there the margins are tight and the operations are small I'm surprised, Adafruit has a 50-100% markup on most items compared to Aliexpress/other Chinese electronics.

I guess that's the point being made by ancestor comments: When prices are that low, it's hard to make enough to support a large operation for (relatively) low volume, even if individual margins are high.

Plus, until recently, you could order things from aliexpress or banggood etc. at low Chinese prices and not even pay shipping (that was essentially free).

Re: Siemens acquires Supplyframe, owners of Hackaday and Tindie

#80
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. I worked for a tech company that was acquired by Siemens. It didn't go well.

Can I ask why? Or what company?

In 1993 Siemens acquired ELWRO, Polish computer manufacturer (RIAD - IBM 360/370 mainframe clones for Russian/Indian market) and ZWUT, Polish telecommunication equipment manufacturer. They paid $38mln. First thing they did was to fire everyone from ELWRO. They also send manufacturing lines and unused parts stock back to Germany, and on top of it demolished manufacturing plants and sold off bare land. Good old German efficiency, scorched earth policy. 7 years later Siemens finished this "investment" by selling remaining telecomm part of the company to US investor Telect who planned to manufacture fiberoptic switches in Poland. Rumor has it Telect came to some sort of a deal with Nortel and closed manufacturing in Eastern Europe as a result.

And that was that, from Mainframe manufacturer to nothing in 7 years from Siemens acquisition.

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