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Siemens acquires Supplyframe, owners of Hackaday and Tindie

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Re: Siemens acquires Supplyframe, owners of Hackaday and Tindie

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Move seems to be part of that steam for (home/industrial)-automation plan?

Probably doomed. German industry culture is toxic to software. Product perfectionism prevents shipping early and often, often doesen't ship at all, cause hype dies before product is done.

Re: Siemens acquires Supplyframe, owners of Hackaday and Tindie

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems more like an innocent mix-up by the social media PR person, who likely isn't familiar enough with the properties to notice the mixup between Hackaday and Tindie at the end there. Or they could have been referring to Hackaday.io rather than hackaday.com.

That's exactly the problem. The Siemens Press Office employee doesn't have the domain knowledge of what Adafruit and Hackaday are that would be common knowledge to end users of their products, or would be if they, like their users would, bothered to do a cursory search before replying. These German megacorps put so much procedure and so many layers between the people who build stuff and the people who use it that it'…

i'll be interviewing them, so please let me know if there are any specific questions you want asked.

Re: Siemens acquires Supplyframe, owners of Hackaday and Tindie

#53
post #8

Extremely disappointing. Siemens has no business owning or purchasing these sites. Shame on Supplyframe.

If you offered me 10x sales and $0.7B for a company I owned or managed, I'd absolutely take it and I don't blame Supplyframe in the least for selling.

How Siemens plans to get that value out is utterly beyond me, so I'd have some questions on the buyer side, but the seller side makes 100% sense to me.

Re: Siemens acquires Supplyframe, owners of Hackaday and Tindie

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's exactly the problem. The Siemens Press Office employee doesn't have the domain knowledge of what Adafruit and Hackaday are that would be common knowledge to end users of their products, or would be if they, like their users would, bothered to do a cursory search before replying. These German megacorps put so much procedure and so many layers between the people who build stuff and the people who use it that it'…

i'll be interviewing them, so please let me know if there are any specific questions you want asked.

I’d be curious to know what Siemens’ plans are for HaD, if they’re looking to monetize it or just keep it as is. Basically I want to know how long it’ll be before HaD is ruined. I still hope it won’t be because I love HaD but it really doesn’t look good. When has such a corporate takeover ever gone well for the product?

Re: Siemens acquires Supplyframe, owners of Hackaday and Tindie

#55
This is great news for Supplyframe.

But there is a darker undercurrent here that really needs some introspection. The "makers market" of today doesn't work.

Let's compare the market between say 1975 and 1985 with the market between 2010 and 2020. Money spent on the early market supported no less than 6 monthly printed magazines, several chains of electronics component stores (Radio Shack/Tandy/Dick Smiths/Marples(sp?)), a host of retail outlets, and several equipment manufacturers selling into the market.

In the "modern" era, there are no profitable magazines or web sites or blogs or ANYTHING with respect to this hobby, there are NO brick and mortar retail components stores, and no equipment maker sells into this market.

So why is this? I suspect that a large chunk of that is money. In particular, the "cost" of things has gone so far down that the money selling those things is a mere pittance of what it was before. But salaries of people to run these businesses, offices, etc hasn't changed. Nor has postage or warehouse space etc. But the interesting follow on effect is that it makes no sense to pay $8000 for an advertisement (the full page price of an ad in Modern Electronics in 1980) when you might generate an additional $4K in revenue. Similarly for blogs or podcasts where 70 to 90% of the ad revenue goes to the ad network (Google, Bing, Etc.)

Open source is great, but without money people have to work other jobs and so their ability to contribute quality time to their hobbies, much less full time to them, is that much harder to do.

I used to write free lance articles for Byte, Dr. Dobbs, and others and they would pay me $600 - $800 per article. A recent article suggests that the editors for Hackaday get paid but the places they link? They just get "exposure." (cue the Oatmeal comic on spending "exposure").

There are some standouts, like Adafruit, but even there the margins are tight and the operations are small. They are certainly not a "Radio Shack" level of enterprise.

I don't know what the "fix" is, but there is some re-imagining, re-inventing that needs to go on here to pay these people who put in their time to make the "maker movement" work. Or it will continue to struggle.

Re: Siemens acquires Supplyframe, owners of Hackaday and Tindie

#56
post #36

Wow. This is so doomed to fail. German bigcorp with a faked startup culture unit ingesting Hackaday/Tindie. Congrats to the sellers.

a bit historical story:

In 1993 Siemens bought Polish early computer manufacturer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elwro

it seems just to close it down

Re: Siemens acquires Supplyframe, owners of Hackaday and Tindie

#57
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://supplyframe.com/why-supplyframe/ 70+ websites and a SaaS supply chain management intelligence software (Design-to-Source Intelligence as they call it) that nets $70M revenue annually...

$700M for $70M? I'd say it's still a very jaw dropping deal

10x sales isn't crazy for a growing, high margin recurring revenue SaaS business in today's environment.

Re: Siemens acquires Supplyframe, owners of Hackaday and Tindie

#58
post #49
post #36

Wow. This is so doomed to fail. German bigcorp with a faked startup culture unit ingesting Hackaday/Tindie. Congrats to the sellers.

Yeah. I worked for a tech company that was acquired by Siemens. It didn't go well.

Can I ask why? Or what company?

Re: Siemens acquires Supplyframe, owners of Hackaday and Tindie

#59

This is great news for Supplyframe. But there is a darker undercurrent here that really needs some introspection. The "makers market" of today doesn't work. Let's compare the market between say 1975 and 1985 with the market between 2010 and 2020. Money spent on the early market supported no less than 6 monthly printed magazines, several chains of electronics component stores (Radio Shack/Tandy/Dick Smiths/Marples(sp?…

I miss going to my local Radio Shack and getting components. When they went under I could really only get components online. Sure, there is a commercial supplier near me but they are only open 9-5ish M-F and don't have a website. It would be great if they were able to digitize their inventory and ship orders. I wonder why some commercial focused companies make it so hard for non-commercial customers to access their business (I'm including companies that have websites but make it clear they only sell to contractors)?

Re: Siemens acquires Supplyframe, owners of Hackaday and Tindie

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This is great news for Supplyframe. But there is a darker undercurrent here that really needs some introspection. The "makers market" of today doesn't work. Let's compare the market between say 1975 and 1985 with the market between 2010 and 2020. Money spent on the early market supported no less than 6 monthly printed magazines, several chains of electronics component stores (Radio Shack/Tandy/Dick Smiths/Marples(sp?…

> like Adafruit, but even there the margins are tight and the operations are small

I'm surprised, Adafruit has a 50-100% markup on most items compared to Aliexpress/other Chinese electronics.

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