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Re: Launch HN: Fig (YC S20) – Autocomplete for the Terminal

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Post by mschrage »

jjwiseman wrote: post #148
ttul wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are clearly not the ideal customer profile.. my guess is that the Fig team are going after corporate developers who won’t be as concerned about privacy so much as they are concerned about convenience and productivity.

I actually care very little about the privacy issues, and am often very willing to trade privacy for convenience. I just don't want to be bothered to have to essentially register to use the app, for no real benefit to me.

When you login with your work email, you can share shortcuts and completions for internal CLI tools and scripts with your team.

Re: Launch HN: Fig (YC S20) – Autocomplete for the Terminal

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Post by zumu »

12ian34 wrote: post #80

Nice website, but I wouldn't switch to this from Fish/Zsh on account of: 1. Cannot identify any killer features above what I already have with forever free tools with much larger support communities. 2. Less trust in you as a YC startup. What if you fail? What if you sell out? 3. Requirement of email. 4. Telemetry and privacy concerns raised by others. 5. Not available for Linux, and I get the feeling that Linux woul…

> 2. Less trust in you as a YC startup. What if you fail? What if you sell out?

> 3. Requirement of email.

> 4. Telemetry and privacy concerns raised by others.

Dovetailing on these...

Like why is a CLI tool VC backed? Is the business model just selling our data? Is the VC backing for another product and the CLI tool is just a PR thing?

Re: Launch HN: Fig (YC S20) – Autocomplete for the Terminal

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Post by GordonS »

djrogers wrote: post #105

This looks nice, but requiring an email during setup, with no explanation or discernible reason - and demanding a work email at that - seems very creepy. This decision alone removes my trust in your product and your company, sorry.

Requiring a work email is a common tactic for B2B sales, so that sales people can contact you and try to get you to buy. This doesn't seem like a B2B kind of product, so it does seem... odd.

Re: Launch HN: Fig (YC S20) – Autocomplete for the Terminal

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Post by brendanfalk »

verdverm wrote: post #119
paulgb wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> maybe more so because of the increased attacks on the software supply chain vendors I'm intrigued by this but not 100% sure I follow. Is the implication that VC-backed startups are more likely to suffer from a supply-chain attack, or just more general reluctance to incorporate any new tech into the stack as it increases the attack surface area?

Probably a little of both. I'm personally reducing this surface area with clients in light of recent attacks. Personally, something like this w.r.t. VC means that incentives will diverge and they lose touch with what it means to be a dev tool. w.r.t. supply chain, it's probably more of a correlation (related to) that they will eventually have the large companies as enterprise customers who are the real target. Also,…

> Personally, something like this w.r.t. VC means that incentives will diverge and they lose touch with what it means to be a dev tool.

> Most abstractly I think the misaligned incentives is what happens. I'm not convinced that VCs get dev tools and don't ruin them.

I'd love to hear a little more about your thoughts here. We've committed to making autocomplete free for individuals. In your opinion, what else can dev tool companies like ours do to make you feel more comfortable?

Re: Launch HN: Fig (YC S20) – Autocomplete for the Terminal

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Post by vishnugupta »

avinassh wrote: post #145
12ian34 wrote: post #80

Nice website, but I wouldn't switch to this from Fish/Zsh on account of: 1. Cannot identify any killer features above what I already have with forever free tools with much larger support communities. 2. Less trust in you as a YC startup. What if you fail? What if you sell out? 3. Requirement of email. 4. Telemetry and privacy concerns raised by others. 5. Not available for Linux, and I get the feeling that Linux woul…

Can you suggest some tools which auto suggest like Fig and work with zsh? The built in auto complete in zsh works nicely, but how do I get the drop down of all options?

This is the closest I see: https://github.com/ohmyzsh/ohmyzsh

Since switching to it from the default shell of Mac OS terminal (zsh I think) I have found it immensely productive. Some of the things it does seem Magic like auto completing uncommitted files when I say “git add ”

Re: Launch HN: Fig (YC S20) – Autocomplete for the Terminal

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Post by hnarn »

vhanda wrote: post #19

This seems really amazing. Please excuse my paranoia. Your privacy policy is very well written and easy to read. That's rare. However, Is there someway I can make Fig not send any data to anyone else? From what I understand, Fig does send telemetry information, but I'd like to be made aware of it before it asks me to give it "accessibility" powers. Also, while Fig may not send the data to anyone. Does this also cover…

> Please excuse my paranoia.

Expecting your terminal to have a default setting to not call home is not paranoia: it's absolute common sense.

Re: Launch HN: Fig (YC S20) – Autocomplete for the Terminal

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Post by verdverm »

nerdponx wrote: post #141
verdverm wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably a little of both. I'm personally reducing this surface area with clients in light of recent attacks. Personally, something like this w.r.t. VC means that incentives will diverge and they lose touch with what it means to be a dev tool. w.r.t. supply chain, it's probably more of a correlation (related to) that they will eventually have the large companies as enterprise customers who are the real target. Also,…

Have there been any attacks that are able to exploit iTerm shell integrations or similar tooling?

ITerm has had security issues, yes, but that is besides the point.

With this product, are their collaboration features secure? Are their servers which support that secure? You are installing a tool which phones home on each command

Why do I even want a shared terminal?

Re: Launch HN: Fig (YC S20) – Autocomplete for the Terminal

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Post by dvt »

zumu wrote: post #162
12ian34 wrote: post #80

Nice website, but I wouldn't switch to this from Fish/Zsh on account of: 1. Cannot identify any killer features above what I already have with forever free tools with much larger support communities. 2. Less trust in you as a YC startup. What if you fail? What if you sell out? 3. Requirement of email. 4. Telemetry and privacy concerns raised by others. 5. Not available for Linux, and I get the feeling that Linux woul…

> 2. Less trust in you as a YC startup. What if you fail? What if you sell out? > 3. Requirement of email. > 4. Telemetry and privacy concerns raised by others. Dovetailing on these... Like why is a CLI tool VC backed? Is the business model just selling our data? Is the VC backing for another product and the CLI tool is just a PR thing?

Just adding, from their website:

> Investors: We've raised several million dollars from amazing VCs like General Catalyst and Kleiner Perkins, and angels like Jason Warner, Adam Gross, Olivier Pomel, Scott Belsky, Will Gaybrick and a handful of other impressive dev tool founders and executives.

The fact that a CLI tool raised millions of dollars while also being basically powered by open-source contributions is also kind of a wtf moment to me, but what do I know.

Re: Launch HN: Fig (YC S20) – Autocomplete for the Terminal

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Post by verdverm »

brendanfalk wrote: post #164
verdverm wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably a little of both. I'm personally reducing this surface area with clients in light of recent attacks. Personally, something like this w.r.t. VC means that incentives will diverge and they lose touch with what it means to be a dev tool. w.r.t. supply chain, it's probably more of a correlation (related to) that they will eventually have the large companies as enterprise customers who are the real target. Also,…

> Personally, something like this w.r.t. VC means that incentives will diverge and they lose touch with what it means to be a dev tool. > Most abstractly I think the misaligned incentives is what happens. I'm not convinced that VCs get dev tools and don't ruin them. I'd love to hear a little more about your thoughts here. We've committed to making autocomplete free for individuals. In your opinion, what else can dev…

To start with, remove network related code. There is no reason for a autocomplete language to need to fetch a file or send telemetry. A telemetry setting is insufficient

Re: Launch HN: Fig (YC S20) – Autocomplete for the Terminal

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Post by [deleted] »

zumu wrote: post #162
12ian34 wrote: post #80

Nice website, but I wouldn't switch to this from Fish/Zsh on account of: 1. Cannot identify any killer features above what I already have with forever free tools with much larger support communities. 2. Less trust in you as a YC startup. What if you fail? What if you sell out? 3. Requirement of email. 4. Telemetry and privacy concerns raised by others. 5. Not available for Linux, and I get the feeling that Linux woul…

> 2. Less trust in you as a YC startup. What if you fail? What if you sell out? > 3. Requirement of email. > 4. Telemetry and privacy concerns raised by others. Dovetailing on these... Like why is a CLI tool VC backed? Is the business model just selling our data? Is the VC backing for another product and the CLI tool is just a PR thing?

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