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Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by JoshTriplett »

helsinkiandrew wrote: post #135
Semaphor wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t want a remote-controlled smart (actually: dumb) home. You want a fully local solution, then you can add remote, internet-dependent functionality like alexa to it. That way your primary mode of control will always work.

And get some motion detectors. Your lights should come on when someone enters the room and the light is below a threshold. I usually hit the off switch by the door when I leave, otherwise if no one is present the lack of movement will dim and then turn the lights off. It's 2021 people!

Motion detection is not presence detection. I still want the light even if I'm sitting still, such as reading a book or using a computer.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by pjmlp »

eingaeKaiy8ujie wrote: post #183
pjmlp wrote: post #160

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Good luck with Android 12, ART is now also part of GSI images and delivery over Play Store.

I'm not familiar enough with Android internals, but as I understood from a quick research this means that it will be possible now to upgrade the Android Runtime through the Play Store (which was handled by phone manufacturers?). Is it a problem for distributions without the Play Store like GrapheneOS or LineageOS? Why?

Depends how they manage to have Play Services running on them.

https://source.android.com/devices/architecture/modular-syst...

The information on the link is outdated, it was presented at Google IO that Android 12 will now also ship ART as APEX module.

Most likely by then the AOSP documentation will be accordingly updated.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by cbracken »

mwcampbell wrote: post #90

Does anyone know if Fuchsia, or any higher-level environment built on top of it like this new software for the Nest Hub, includes a screen reader for blind users? This will be necessary before Fuchsia can be considered a full replacement for Android, Chromium OS, etc.

Yes, the Home Hub includes both a screen reader and touch exploration mode.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by paulus_magnus2 »

Why would anyone want to into this? From industry perspective it baffles me how Google divided an conquered not one but multiple platforms: (Android, Google TV, Google Auto).

From the user perspective I don't need another toy OS. I was able to develop Linux Kernel modules on my 486dx with 8MB of RAM. I was able to use excel, word on it.

Right now I have a mobile phone with better hardware than my work PC from only few years back (8GB RAM, 512GB UFS storage powerful multicore CPU). Still Android only allows me to click colourful buttons and simple apps, it has not progressed at all in the last decade.

Samsungs of the world, please come together, build a non-profit consortium and develop an open platform with real OS with full capabilities.

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Post by swiley »

kerneis wrote: post #203
swiley wrote: post #188

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It's not really true for Android either because the graphics drivers are mostly userspace and end up coupled with a lot of the vendor provided stuff. Fuchsia has no GPL so it's unlikely any of the driver source will be available to you.

> Fuchsia has no GPL so it's unlikely any of the driver source will be available to you. The open-source repository already contains over 50 directories named `drivers`: https://cs.opensource.google/search?q=f:drivers%2F$&sq=&ss=f...

The BSDs have lots of drivers too, but it's rare you see them coming to an embedded board first (and rarer you see BSPs published for them from vendors.)

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by throwawayboise »

DebtDeflation wrote: post #96
piokoch wrote: post #2

10 years ago I would be really excited, as I could expect some groundbreaking tech like search engine or revolutionary approach to something, like Gmail (no ads sent to users, great UI, hige disk space). Today, instead of excitement, I am wondering how this thing is going to push me in some walled garden, how I will be tracked, how my data will be fetched and sold, what will be the trick used to move people away from…

I'm so done with this smart home stuff. "Alexa, turn on Living Room." "I'm sorry, I'm having trouble understanding now." I mean, yeah, I can toggle the light switch to get it to turn on, but then it gets screwed up and I need to go into the app to reset it when the internet comes back on. I don't even want to think about a smart thermostat. My dumb thermostat from 10 years ago let's me set timers which is all I reall…

I never bought in to the premise of the "smart home."

It sounds like endless minor annoyances and aggravation more than anything.

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Post by snvzz »

pjmlp wrote: post #205
snvzz wrote: post #162

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Clones?

POSIX clones.

POSIX is a specification. Implementations are implementations, not clones.

And most of the systems you listed aren't even aiming for POSIX-compatibility.

Can you please clarify what your intent was by using the word "clones"?

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by throwawayboise »

zentiggr wrote: post #206
TrinaryWorksToo wrote: post #187

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You need an offline smart assistant: https://medevel.com/10-open-source-voice-assistants/

I think in this case it would be called an alarm clock.

And it should be a wind-up mechanical one so that power failures don't affect it.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by grawprog »

piokoch wrote: post #2

10 years ago I would be really excited, as I could expect some groundbreaking tech like search engine or revolutionary approach to something, like Gmail (no ads sent to users, great UI, hige disk space). Today, instead of excitement, I am wondering how this thing is going to push me in some walled garden, how I will be tracked, how my data will be fetched and sold, what will be the trick used to move people away from…

>Today, instead of excitement, I am wondering how this thing is going to push me in some walled garden, how I will be tracked, how my data will be fetched and sold, what will be the trick used to move people away from free Web...

There's no need to wonder. Fuchsia's been designed to do all those things and more.

https://beebom.com/what-fuchsia-os/

Starting with a modular design that caters to device manufacturers that allows them to provide only part of the operating system. The days of devices with full os's are coming to an end.

Cloud based constant device syncing between all devices

>Dependency on Web Apps

Google and device manufacturers will have full control over the microkernel and bootloader

Honestly, I'm not excited at all. I've been dreading fuchsia since it was first announced. Everything about the os is designed around google having complete control over the os itself and everything on your device.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by aeturnum »

macspoofing wrote: post #89
edent wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The personal is political. And the technical is political. You cannot separate a work from the context in which it operates.

>You cannot separate a work from the context in which it operates. Why not try?

Why would you choose to pretend you know less than you do?

Things are made by people and each individual person has their own background, circumstances and ideas. The culture of Bell Labs abetted (but did not cause) Unix and the sharing of source code. The lack of pressure to generate profit within Bell allowed Unix to use an unusual licensing model, which led to it being widely available in universities.

Context does not totalize - it allows and directs. Google has a business plan and a culture that promotes some things and prevents others. It's not a conspiracy - they're quite public about most of it. There are things that are possible at Google that are less possible elsewhere. We can, as participants and observers in culture, speculate about what is more possible and less possible in a Google OS project. To not do so would be blindfolding ourselves.

If you want to talk about something "outside" of its cultural context (if such a thing is possible), you certainly can - but will your conversation partners set the same things outside the context? Better to be explicit than blindly implicit imo.

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