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EU bans Belarusian airlines from European skies

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Poland is directly affected, as the FR4978 with Pratasievič on board was a SP-RSM belonging to Ryanair Sun and registered in Poland.

Yes, and Pratasievič was granted political asylum in Poland.

Actually, this information is wrong, sorry. His status is unclear to me and various sources report different things on this.

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Worth noting in all of this that Belarus recently closed their land borders to citizens [1], under the guise of COVID, but in reality to stop people leaving. The only way out was flying from Minsk, which is now even less of an option if there are no flights to the EU. As others have said these sanctions will likely do more to harm the repressed citizens of the regime than Lukashenko [1] https://www.bnt.eu/cs/zpravy/p…

This sounds suspiciously like North Korea to me. Still crazy how they put that plane down with jets and then escorted the plane out of the county...

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Russia and Belarus are very close allies. I doubt anyone who is at risk by transiting in Moscow would be safe in Minsk

You think Russia would risk having their planes banned all through Europe to give a two bit dictator a reporter?

Russia has murdered dissidents multiple times in foreign capitals in plain view (resulting in other civilian deaths) most recently the Novichok murders. They don't care about what the west thinks and likely approved this operation too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Sergei_and_Yulia_...

Re: EU bans Belarusian airlines from European skies

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post #145

Worth noting in all of this that Belarus recently closed their land borders to citizens [1], under the guise of COVID, but in reality to stop people leaving. The only way out was flying from Minsk, which is now even less of an option if there are no flights to the EU. As others have said these sanctions will likely do more to harm the repressed citizens of the regime than Lukashenko [1] https://www.bnt.eu/cs/zpravy/p…

> As others have said these sanctions will likely do more to harm the repressed citizens of the regime than Lukashenko

There are simply too many repressed citizens for them to all flee, so allowing some to flee might be just unfair, and also counterproductive because then you are left with only underpriviledged and repressed citizens.

Re: EU bans Belarusian airlines from European skies

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post #145

Worth noting in all of this that Belarus recently closed their land borders to citizens [1], under the guise of COVID, but in reality to stop people leaving. The only way out was flying from Minsk, which is now even less of an option if there are no flights to the EU. As others have said these sanctions will likely do more to harm the repressed citizens of the regime than Lukashenko [1] https://www.bnt.eu/cs/zpravy/p…

This sounds suspiciously like North Korea to me. Still crazy how they put that plane down with jets and then escorted the plane out of the county...

Just a small correction, the plane never left their airspace

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post #327

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So after your random-blog-post defense failed, you’re gonna completely drop the subject? I’d love to hear a proper response to the parent. Germany already produces enough renewable energy to sustain all residential use. There is no real physical limitation to achieving 100% renewables despite your “argument”. These are both very shallow articles. You need to find better sources if you’re gonna spout such claims, big…

"So after your random-blog-post defense failed" I don't see this. The original post was just extraordinary naive. "Germany already produces enough renewable energy to sustain all residential use." Maybe, a short look at the numbers look inconclusive. Besides that Germany relies on its neighbors to stabilize the net (speak nuclear!), it is unclear for me what the numbers mean. "Residential" use. Including heating? Bas…

I wasn’t aiming to discuss that “galactic power” growth scenario since it’s just ridiculous. At some point that 3% compound growth becomes more energy than the entire planet consumes in a year, it’s just a dumb extrapolation like folding paper.

Back in reality, Germany’s energy consumption has grown about 5% in the past two decades, is currently falling, and the renewables capacity is more than enough to provide power for all residential uses. It only needs to grow 3x to satisfy the entire country’s energy needs. These are facts, not opinions.

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Forbidding non-Belarus based flights from flying over Belarus would accomplish that.

also treating this "incident" as a war act

As a war act? What does it mean in terms of practical steps?

Re: EU bans Belarusian airlines from European skies

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The free market has a pretty terrible track record when it comes to human rights, though. What would countries stand to gain from this, realistically? No country wants economic refugees.

FYI US common law permits asylum claims by economic refugees.

Uh, anyone can make an asylum claim. An asylum claim is basically a plea to not be deported. It is usually a last ditch tactic when you are caught on US soil illegally, and you are not disputing that you are here illegally but are making a plea that you should not be returned anyway. It was a law introduced to aid Cuban boat refugees who were unable to apply for refugee visas and so always came here illegally.

The question is what are the grounds that would make such a plea legally successful, and being an economic refugee is not one of them. So while you are correct that economic refugees can make the claim, you are incorrect in that such a claim would succeed. People with red hair can also make the claim. Anyone can make the claim.

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post #346

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"So after your random-blog-post defense failed" I don't see this. The original post was just extraordinary naive. "Germany already produces enough renewable energy to sustain all residential use." Maybe, a short look at the numbers look inconclusive. Besides that Germany relies on its neighbors to stabilize the net (speak nuclear!), it is unclear for me what the numbers mean. "Residential" use. Including heating? Bas…

I wasn’t aiming to discuss that “galactic power” growth scenario since it’s just ridiculous. At some point that 3% compound growth becomes more energy than the entire planet consumes in a year, it’s just a dumb extrapolation like folding paper. Back in reality, Germany’s energy consumption has grown about 5% in the past two decades, is currently falling, and the renewables capacity is more than enough to provide powe…

"Back in reality, Germany’s energy consumption has grown about 5% in the past two decades"

Then Germany is just extremely lucky, economically declining or outsourcing energy intensive production tasks.

You iPhone was grown on a tree in Germany?

"dumb extrapolation like folding paper."

This guy is a physics professor. I have meet many stupid people with a STEM degree in my life but stupid people seem somehow extraordinary rare among physicists. His central, important conclusion from the publication is:

"continued growth in energy use becomes physically impossible within conceivable timeframes."

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