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Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by spaetzleesser »

archiepeach wrote: post #132
DebtDeflation wrote: post #96

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I'm so done with this smart home stuff. "Alexa, turn on Living Room." "I'm sorry, I'm having trouble understanding now." I mean, yeah, I can toggle the light switch to get it to turn on, but then it gets screwed up and I need to go into the app to reset it when the internet comes back on. I don't even want to think about a smart thermostat. My dumb thermostat from 10 years ago let's me set timers which is all I reall…

I've actually had a really positive experience using a smart thermostat. The main benefit is having a temperature schedule, which my previous dumb thermostat didn't have. It's also handy being able to adjust the temperature from my phone whenever I'd like to. I find controlling it by voice kind of pointless. On the phone, you can easily see what it's currently at, then adjust it for the next e.g. hour, after which it…

You don’t really need anything “smart” for this. This is basically simple remote with timer. My $50 thermostat has adjustable schedule with override capability. No machine learning needed. The only thing that’s missing is the phone capability but I think that would be easy to add.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by snvzz »

pjmlp wrote: post #139
IntelMiner wrote: post #13

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To add to the pot of cynics I wonder how much of it is driven to supplant Linux's "viral" GPL-ness

All new FOSS OS clones are BSD/Apache licensed. RTOS, Azure RTOS, mbed, NuXX, Zephyr For sure it isn't a coincidence.

Clones?

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by jeffbee »

Grazester wrote: post #63

I came here for a technical discussion about Fuchsia and it's microkernel approach instead this is mostly fill with complains about Google as a company. Is there a social justice forum I can visit where I may be able to have a technical discussion about Fuchsia?

I think the cause of this phenomenon is that most HN readers are not qualified to comment on Fuchsia, are ignorant of any and all facts about it, but are also compelled to comment. So you get this thread, and most threads here. Actual technical exchange between people who are both not obviously wrong is rare here.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by khimaros »

luma wrote: post #123
Semaphor wrote: post #105

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You don’t want a remote-controlled smart (actually: dumb) home. You want a fully local solution, then you can add remote, internet-dependent functionality like alexa to it. That way your primary mode of control will always work.

Agreed. I'll add to that a healthy application of the Principle of Least Astonishment. If you have a light, there should be an obvious light switch nearby that turns the light on and off, and does so even if your home automation system is offline for whatever reason. "Smart" devices should, wherever possible, function as dumb devices if for whatever reason they can't be smart. There are a whole lot of devices that si…

Rhasspy is an easy to use open source, fully offline, suite for this with wake word detection and integration with home assistant.

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Post by rejectedandsad »

jeffbee wrote: post #164
Grazester wrote: post #63

I came here for a technical discussion about Fuchsia and it's microkernel approach instead this is mostly fill with complains about Google as a company. Is there a social justice forum I can visit where I may be able to have a technical discussion about Fuchsia?

I think the cause of this phenomenon is that most HN readers are not qualified to comment on Fuchsia, are ignorant of any and all facts about it, but are also compelled to comment. So you get this thread, and most threads here. Actual technical exchange between people who are both not obviously wrong is rare here.

Googlers thinking non-Googlers are unqualified to comment on anything seems like a fairly common theme to me.

I really wonder what caused this kind of ideological entitlement. Was it a company culture that never said "no"? Was it the constant talk of how Googlers are just smarter and more brilliant than everyone else? Genuinely curious.

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Post by lacksconfidence »

unionpivo wrote: post #155
macspoofing wrote: post #89

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>You cannot separate a work from the context in which it operates. Why not try?

"Because, I don't want for it to be good, because its Google, but it probably is." That's what I have going in my mind and it's going to color any of my opinions on it, no matter how how objective I try to be. So I think It's important to discuss this openly, so we know where we are at. Looks like there is a growing minority of tech people who distrust Google and I am among them.

Minority? I feel like i can't read anything about google on HN without half the converstion being unrelated to the technology and strictly related to ads. The minority are the people that think "wow cool, another new shiny toy to investigate!".

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by greatgib »

luch wrote: post #80
greatgib wrote: post #23

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Something should be particularly wrong with the project if you have to use your own fork of qemu...

It's actually pretty standard to fork QEMU when you want to emulate a custom kernel/board. QEMU is a good common emulation platform, but in no way it can emulate correctly every quirks of a custom pci or even PIC device expected by the system.

I'm not expert in QEMU, but to my understanding, it would make sense to fork QEMU to support a new hardware/board/platform, but not so much to support a new "software"/"firmware" on top of an already existing and used board platform.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by jeffbee »

seanhunter wrote: post #65
hortense wrote: post #52

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They have an OS running on a consumer device that connects to the wifi where you can play media, browse the web, and run flutter apps, so it seems like they already put the time and effort. It even self-updates, so in some sense it's already ahead of the standard linux distributions!

Which standard distribution are you running that doesn't self-update? All of the ones I use (Fedora, Centos, Debian, Ubuntu, Qubes) do this and have done for years.

Ubuntu doesn’t update itself, out of the box. It just mentions the availability of updates in the MOTD. And upgrades to new distributions are completely manual and user-initiated.
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