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Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by bionade24 »

criddell wrote: post #103

What problem does Fuchsia solve? Google already has at least three other operating systems to use. On the other hand, Google has never seemed particularly shy about starting something new rather than work on something old. I'm thinking of their messaging systems that they start every couple of years. Also, the branding isn't great. The top image in the linked story immediately makes me think this has something to do…

They haven't worked on the base stuff of Android and ChromeOS. Both use Linux software abandoned by upstream, e.g. ChromeOS uses upstart and have their patched non-mainline kernels. This requires lots of extra work, then even doubled since they have 2 platforms. Wanting to have one mature platform for both makes sense to me.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by tempest_ »

Grazester wrote: post #63

I came here for a technical discussion about Fuchsia and it's microkernel approach instead this is mostly fill with complains about Google as a company. Is there a social justice forum I can visit where I may be able to have a technical discussion about Fuchsia?

It should at the very least tell you how aggressively google has been burning its goodwill as of late.

Google offers things with the left hand while slapping you with the right and you seem surprised that people only want to talk about the slapping.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by raxxorrax »

Grazester wrote: post #63

I came here for a technical discussion about Fuchsia and it's microkernel approach instead this is mostly fill with complains about Google as a company. Is there a social justice forum I can visit where I may be able to have a technical discussion about Fuchsia?

I think the discussion cannot be really detached, since Google has strong ambitions that will undeniably influence features and capabilities of their OS.

But as for the microkernel approach, I think the advantages are on the table, but they are theoretical. Until now, no OS with a micro architecture was successful at getting significant market share.

What would your requirements at an OS like this be? For me, it would be extensibility and the minimalist approach.

Don't know the implementation details, but it sounds a lot like a time when people loved OOP too much, or later disliked it just as much.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by surajrmal »

Grazester wrote: post #63

I came here for a technical discussion about Fuchsia and it's microkernel approach instead this is mostly fill with complains about Google as a company. Is there a social justice forum I can visit where I may be able to have a technical discussion about Fuchsia?

We have several mailing lists you can converse on. We're happy to answer any technical questions.

https://fuchsia.dev/fuchsia-src/contribute/community/get-inv...

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by roland35 »

I am planning on not purchasing any new google smart home hardware. I am annoyed that my nest thermostat no longer has a way to interface with their API. I purchased it right before the Google acquisition and I would have gone with an Ecobee if I knew the Nest would be inaccessible to a regular user.

I believe having an open API is an important part of smart home hardware, even if most users don't use it.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by bionade24 »

mwcampbell wrote: post #90

Does anyone know if Fuchsia, or any higher-level environment built on top of it like this new software for the Nest Hub, includes a screen reader for blind users? This will be necessary before Fuchsia can be considered a full replacement for Android, Chromium OS, etc.

Having a smart speaker with a display doesn't make sense for a bling person imao.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by julienfr112 »

josteink wrote: post #28
abdulla wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're willing to give it another go, you should try it in FEMU (our fork of QEMU): https://fuchsia.dev/fuchsia-src/get-started/set_up_femu

Not to discredit the effort, but saying you've released your own fork of QEMU to run your own OS, creates an impression that you're perfectly happy to (prefer to?) create a parallel universe for yourself, with your own tools and its own ecosystem... Which will obviously all be controlled by Google. Not very good optics, IMO. If you want promote Fuschia as a useful, general purpose computing platform (and not just an…

Why the down votes ? Perfectly polite and mostly valid comment.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by mwcampbell »

bionade24 wrote: post #116
mwcampbell wrote: post #90

Does anyone know if Fuchsia, or any higher-level environment built on top of it like this new software for the Nest Hub, includes a screen reader for blind users? This will be necessary before Fuchsia can be considered a full replacement for Android, Chromium OS, etc.

Having a smart speaker with a display doesn't make sense for a bling person imao.

It might make sense for a blind person with sighted family and friends.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by DenverCode »

forgotpwd16 wrote: post #101
kerneis wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fuchsia, like Chrome, has been open-source for years, and all commits and reviews as well as the bug tracker are public. It is a very different model from how Android releases work. (Disclaimer: I work on Fuchsia at Google.)

Is Fuchsia meant only for embedded devices (smart displays, smartphones, etc) or will there be laptop releases akin to Chromebooks?

>We’ve been tracking the development of Fuchsia since 2016, starting from an ambitious experimental UI, to running on Google’s many internal testing devices for Fuchsia, ranging the full gamut of Google’s smart home and Chromebook lineup.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by Spivak »

macspoofing wrote: post #89
edent wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The personal is political. And the technical is political. You cannot separate a work from the context in which it operates.

>You cannot separate a work from the context in which it operates. Why not try?

Because then work just becomes a more boring riff on the Nuremberg defense. You can't just be like "I'm just paid to write code and so will completely ignore any and all ethical issues with what my company does with it."

There's a reason the ACM code of ethics has "everyone is a stakeholder" and "avoid harm" as the top two overriding principles.

I can understand arguments about keeping political issues unrelated to your work and working relationships out but you this isn't that.

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