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Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by ryanlol »

Hnrobert42 wrote: post #67
Kbelicius wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are mixing id with passport. I doubt that you need a passport to fly internally in US. I know that as a EU citizen you absolutely do not need a passport to fly within the EU but you do need some form of id.

You do not need a passport although you can use one. A driver’s license or other government issued ID is sufficient. It may even be possible to fly without an ID, like if it was stolen or lost, but it would be a holy mess. The comedian Hannibal Burress has a funny bit about it.

You can travel without any ID just fine, evidence of EU (or EEA?) citizenship is sufficient.

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by totalZero »

withinboredom wrote: post #79
andix wrote: post #42

I once wanted to board a plane from Havanna to Europe and because of a computer glitch my clearance for the US airspace didn’t get approved. So they nearly took off without me. After 20 minutes of trying to get it approved, they found out that I was checked in twice, and got two seats assigned. The other boarding pass got the confirmation and seemed to prevent the second confirmation. So they took away my boarding pa…

I once managed to board the wrong plane but I was recorded as being on the other plane. I was checked into the other plane, so they couldn't take off without me, and the plane I was on had to let me off. It was a huge fiasco; I had to get off the plane after it left the gate, hitch a ride with security to the correct plane. I got chewed out by both pilots... security held me in the back of the car asking me how I did…

This is the kind of thing where an airline only has itself to blame. It's disheartening that the people tasked to pilot both aircraft took issue with your actions when their own company's inept error handling was at fault.

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by ryanlol »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #21
djxfade wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last few years I have been flying, my ID has been checked before entering the security check. This was a recent change introduced a few years ago. I presume this is done everywhere in Europe.

same experience here and I'm also all over Europe. The time when you could just fly without hassle only lasted a few years. Now I have to look into the empty eyes of some dweeb wanting to check my passport like I'm entering Beirut in 1982. I feel obliged to thank them out of artificial politeness but really want to just ask them why they had to get a job that allows them to display power. Not that these checks ever p…

> Also the worst of all countries has doubtlessly been the UK

UK is pay to play, for a reasonable amount (600GBP at LGW and ~1k at LHR IIRC) of money you can be the first to exit your plane and be taken through the private jet terminal without any queues. You wait in a nice lounge where a Border Force person takes you through the formalities while you sit in a comfy armchair.

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by ryanlol »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #33
jamesrr39 wrote: post #30

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Also in Europe, but with a completely different experience; it is (well, was, pre-covid) easy to move between EU states. Within the Schengen Zone it's only the check at the gate to check your ID matches your boarding pass (so no check at "immigration"), and to/from the UK the electronic gates have really sped things up (compared to the old days). YMMV but I find I'm rarely waiting more than a few minutes at the immig…

interesting. this seems to indicate that Schengen countries decided on a national level if they wanted to do checks on their borders. I have seen hard passport checks within Schengen in Croatia, Sweden, Germany, France and Portugal. Good to hear the UK has improved. I should have mentioned I haven't been there since 2018. I was expecting that brexit made things worse and had no idea

This really doesn’t add up. Who was performing these hard passport checks? An airline employee? Where was your flight originating from/going to?

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by aero-glide2 »

kwanbix wrote: post #60
xarici_ishler wrote: post #56

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That's a common misconception. Telegram private chats are by default not e2e encrypted (but you can create a separate "secret chat", which will be).

Really? What does it mean in practical terms? Anyone can see my chats? Is it worst than Whatsapp in that sense? I understand (again) that WA is e2e encrypted by default? Thanks!

Yes, it is much worse than WhatsApp. I use it because it has global searchable groups. Also you can make it such at other people who chat with you will not be able to see your phone number.

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by seb1204 »

nicoburns wrote: post #45
Broken_Hippo wrote: post #39

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I don't think it is. While a lot of folks don't use google, a lot of folks do , and have for a while. It isn't like it is the first time a brand became something more: Band-aid and Kleenex are items as well as brands, for example. You might Xerox that contract, too, even though you probably aren't using a Xerox brand machine to do so. Maybe you call all soda a "coke" - and asked someone, "What flavor of coke do you w…

While not completely alien here in the UK, using brand names for generic concepts is a bit of an Americanism (perhaps because of a cultural tendency to glorify private business?) "Band-aids" are plasters (short for sticking plasters) here, and "Kleenex" are tissues (even if they're actually kleenex branded). Having said that, to "google" something or to "photoshop" something are both in common usage here. I suspect t…

At least in my circle no one is asking to pass the 'chocolate hazelnut spread' everyone calls it Nutella, even if it is not the Ferrero brand. Not US

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by Macha »

ryanbrunner wrote: post #84
Macha wrote: post #68

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Jeep is another example that got plenty of use outside America, only really falling out of use in the last while as casual use of that type of vehicle got replaced by SUVs.

A jeep (in the casual, not the brand sense) is a different thing than a SUV though? When I think of "jeep", I think of a Jeep Wrangler-type vehicle, which is a much different thing than a SUV.

Right, but people who 20 years ago for reasons other than needing the ruggedness would have driven jeeps now mostly drive SUVs.

I'm not saying that people call them SUVs now. I'm saying they buy SUVs instead if they just want a big vehicle to use on road.

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by colejohnson66 »

kokx wrote: post #80
odiroot wrote: post #65

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It would have been ironic if the flight was overbooked and they couldn't buy a ticket/board.

Within the EU, flights rarely get overbooked. Especially on cheap flights like with Ryanair, the reimbursement that the airline has to provide in case of overbooking can easily be more than 10x the ticket value.

The cultural difference between the US and Europe is very interesting. In the US, when a flight is overbooked, the airline is allowed to bump anyone if they provide good enough compensation. Usually what happens is the airline “auctions” being bumped where they keep upping the “benefit” for staying. Usually that’s just a voucher for the next flight out, a gift card for the future, and a nights stay in a hotel. “We’re sorry we got greedy, and made you miss your multi million dollar business deal, and it fell through. Here’s some money that you can only spend with us. We hope to see you soon!”

At the extreme, if no one takes the offer, they’ll just bump some rando and you have to pray it’s not you.

Of course, nothing is done about it because it doesn’t happen enough for enough people to complain. I also bet that the airline’s systems are programmed to never choose a powerful enough person for the rando being bumped. You wouldn’t want to bump a Congressperson, right? That’d be just rude!

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by Clewza313 »

robjan wrote: post #69
Clewza313 wrote: post #35

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Citation needed. Anybody can become a travel agent with a GDS subscription, but how exactly would I leverage that to get flight manifests for other people? Airlines guard anything that smacks like seat utilization data jealously, which is why even the GDS will never show more than 9 seats open in any fare class.

You type LP/ABC123/MAY25 and pull up the loading list. This doesn't give you information about load factors or overbooking profiles which is the actually commercially sensitive information.

Well, damn, I stand corrected. Here's the documentation for the List Passengers (LP) command on Amadeus:

http://www.amadeus.com/ir/documents/aco/ir/en/Quick6.pdf

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by beagle3 »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #98
kokx wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Within the EU, flights rarely get overbooked. Especially on cheap flights like with Ryanair, the reimbursement that the airline has to provide in case of overbooking can easily be more than 10x the ticket value.

The cultural difference between the US and Europe is very interesting. In the US, when a flight is overbooked, the airline is allowed to bump anyone if they provide good enough compensation. Usually what happens is the airline “auctions” being bumped where they keep upping the “benefit” for staying. Usually that’s just a voucher for the next flight out, a gift card for the future, and a nights stay in a hotel. “We’re…

I’m sure they have a list of VIPs, but just “frequent flyer” seniority is a good proxy that sorts the powerful from the plebs.
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