Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

Post by djxfade » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:54 AM UTC

pandem wrote: post #7

wildrhythms wrote: post #2

I'm disappointed by the top answer: it doesn't seem to make a clear distinction between 'the airport' (a gigantic swath many types of workers, private, public ownership, etc.) and the authority which actually collects and processes passenger information inside of the airport. 1. My ID is scanned at the airline-owned kiosk/desk to "check in" and print a boarding pass. I'm in the public section of the airport. (Where d…

Maybe that's how it works in America, but it doesn't mean it's the same everywhere. And given that the post was motivated by recent events in Europe it doesn't seem too relevant. In Europe when you go through security no one checks your id. In fact most of the time when you fly inside Schengen with hand luggage only no one checks your id at all. But there definitely isn't something comparable to TSA that would have t…

Post by hungryforcodes » Tue, May 25, 2021, 6:17 AM UTC

pandem wrote: post #7

wildrhythms wrote: post #2

I'm disappointed by the top answer: it doesn't seem to make a clear distinction between 'the airport' (a gigantic swath many types of workers, private, public ownership, etc.) and the authority which actually collects and processes passenger information inside of the airport. 1. My ID is scanned at the airline-owned kiosk/desk to "check in" and print a boarding pass. I'm in the public section of the airport. (Where d…

Maybe that's how it works in America, but it doesn't mean it's the same everywhere. And given that the post was motivated by recent events in Europe it doesn't seem too relevant. In Europe when you go through security no one checks your id. In fact most of the time when you fly inside Schengen with hand luggage only no one checks your id at all. But there definitely isn't something comparable to TSA that would have t…

Post by midasuni » Tue, May 25, 2021, 6:25 AM UTC

djxfade wrote: post #11

pandem wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe that's how it works in America, but it doesn't mean it's the same everywhere. And given that the post was motivated by recent events in Europe it doesn't seem too relevant. In Europe when you go through security no one checks your id. In fact most of the time when you fly inside Schengen with hand luggage only no one checks your id at all. But there definitely isn't something comparable to TSA that would have t…

The last few years I have been flying, my ID has been checked before entering the security check. This was a recent change introduced a few years ago. I presume this is done everywhere in Europe.

Post by anfilt » Tue, May 25, 2021, 6:26 AM UTC

gabereiser wrote: post #12

baybal2 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You forgot booking databases. 90+% of flights go through either Amadeus, or Sabre, which were of course long coopted by governments around the world to provide every piece of data possible. This way Russia knows where to send their hitmen to kill political opposition, Israel spies on Palestinians travel around the world, and US knows when to send extradition requests for Russian carders when they travel abroad.

This. I worked at NCR building the kiosks at the airport. We integrated with Amadeus and Sabre as well as duplicating the data directly to the BOSS systems (old terminal mainframes). Your passenger information and your itinerary are shared with TSA, Airlines, published to travel systems, and checked against NO-FLY lists the moment you press that “Get boarding pass” button. Whether it be by an agent, at the kiosk, or…

Post by baybal2 » Tue, May 25, 2021, 6:32 AM UTC

foepys wrote: post #10

baybal2 wrote: post #4

Yes, they do, in fact, almost everybody in the travel industry can get its hands on PNRs, and manifests. A travel history of almost everybody can be reconstructed fully for the last ~10 years from those databases. And of course that stuff went to .onion sites. That's just like almost everybody's financial information collected, and reported for the sake of "counterterrorism" (CRS,) and, soon, SIM card subscriber data…

SWIFT is headquartered in Belgium.