I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled • Hacker News Board

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by asdff » Tue, May 25, 2021, 6:30 AM UTC

smsm42 wrote: post #22

LeoPanthera wrote: post #11

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This is nonsensical. San Francisco's crime problem doesn't extend to the peninsula.

It mostly does not. San Jose still has deep trouble with homeless camps, that is getting worse (and more widespread) year by year, so I imagine crime will get worse - thought not as bad as in SF, most Valley municipalities aren't as insane as the shining beacon of insanity in San Francisco, neither their inhabitants would likely tolerate these levels of craziness for long.

If it's anything like the smaller cities in LA county, they probably use the police to push off the homeless across the border. Culver city and santa monica are notorious for this practice.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by yaitsyaboi » Tue, May 25, 2021, 6:30 AM UTC

wespiser_2018 wrote: post #190

cyphertruck wrote: post #21

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I’m not taking offense wt your statement, but do want to say: You are being unkind to Somalia. I’m serious. The perception of Somalia is skewed heavily by western news for the simple reason that the Somali people rebuffed the attempted invasion by US & UK proxy forces. (Guessing you most Americans don’t know that even happened.) Somaliland isn't somewhere I would want to live, but I would pick it over the Bay Area. W…

A US Service member was dragged dead through the streets in '94 in celebration of defeating a UN peace keeping mission to ease an on-going famine, and those images were broadcast all over the world. It's easy to underestimate just how powerful that image is in shaping perceptions, and rightfully so: a lot of violence has been done to us citizens by thugs and pirates using the the lawlessness in Somalia as cover.

The pirates didn't start the practice of abusing lawlessness. After the civil war and the breakdown of the state, fishermen from other countries would illegally trawl the waters off the Somali coast and industrial waste was being dumped by foreign opportunists. Just one instance involved 600 drums of radioactive waste from Europe and the US. This exacerbated the problem by reducing the fish supply further.

Eventually, this led to violent clashes where Somali fishermen would take over ships in the area illegally for ransom. This quickly became the piracy industry as we know it.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by Apocryphon » Tue, May 25, 2021, 6:32 AM UTC

smsm42 wrote: post #52

jypepin wrote: post #27

There are a lot of homeless and SF is indeed in shit hole in a lot of areas, but I don't understand people who say they wouldn't visit because it's not safe or whatever. Looking at crime rate rankings [0], SF is pretty low compared to other US cities both in terms or violant crimes and property crimes. What am I missing? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...

Compared to Medellín or Fallujah, it's probably even more safe. But I don't go to these places either. And compared to, say, just going to the beach, going there is much more dangerous, with pretty much zero benefits - even if I don't get mugged (which I most likely won't - I don't have anything valuable on me and I don't look like somebody inviting to be messed with) I will just end up being pissed off about how dis…

Fallujah is probably doing alright ever since the Islamic State was expelled from there.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by yesenadam » Tue, May 25, 2021, 6:33 AM UTC

sneak wrote: post #261

yesenadam wrote: post #228

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Australia here, Sydney. I would have assumed free public toilets are a government service, like they are here, in parks and train stations and dotted through the inner city on main streets. Are there no public toilets in the US?

The majority of toilets in the US, and all of the nice/good/clean ones, are on private property (businesses, et c). Any that are free to use for all get quickly destroyed. California (the topic) has some of the highest taxes in the US, but some of the lowest levels of government services provided.

Hmm thanks. That's not good!

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by dragonwriter » Tue, May 25, 2021, 6:33 AM UTC

ALittleLight wrote: post #263

sneak wrote: post #253

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> grabbed him by his hoodie collar, and pinned him down I was referring to the battery. > I’m a photographer and a distance runner and I’m good enough at both to have made money off of them. Both reactions were instinctive. The experiences and training you have had post-birth have no bearing on your innate human instinctual responses, which are shared in common with all members of your species, including the ones tha…

Citizens in California are allowed to make a citizen's arrest including use of reasonable force. 1 - https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/penal-code/837/#3.1

> Citizens in California are allowed to make a citizen's arrest including use of reasonable force.

For a misdemeanor (as the shoplifting described in this case appears to be), only if the arrested party actually committed the offense and it occurred in the arresting party’s presence (for a felony, the terms are somewhat looser.)

As the description clearly indicates that the offense did not occur in the poster’s presence and he wasn’t even aware of the offense until after using force to restrain his victim, he committed both battery and false imprisonment by violence, the latter of which is a felony offense, and the former is at a minimum a violent misdemeanor.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by ALittleLight » Tue, May 25, 2021, 6:34 AM UTC

ako wrote: post #141

epicureanideal wrote: post #51

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Capitalism isn't what's happening in SF. NIMBYism, cronyism, inability to build, tons of regulatory red tape to do anything, high taxes, etc. is not capitalism.

All of those may be true, but the bad effects of uncontrolled capitalism most likely also have something to do with the situation. If you expect people to live by the rules, they should have a honest opportunity to do so. But if all they can get is a job that doesn't even pay for a small room, what are your possibilities to live a honest live? If you remove punishment, but the only option people have is to break the…

Those are the opposites of unconstrained capitalism. In unconstrained capitalism you'd have lots of building, building bigger multifamily residences and towers, no zoning getting in the way, little to no taxes, etc.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by bosswipe » Tue, May 25, 2021, 6:34 AM UTC

olivermarks wrote: post #30

SF District Attorney Chesa Boudin ran for office in November 2019 focusing his campaign on ending mass incarceration with restorative justice models, rather than punitive incarceral methods. Since then crime in SF has absolutely exploded, fuelled by proposition 47 which reduced stealing less than $900 day to a misdemeanor. Add in a massive opioid crisis and the result is a rapidly growing crisis of shoplifting, petty…

How can you make those causation statements so confidently?

Prop 47 was passed 2014. The opioid crisis has been going on forever. People are using these stories to fuel their political biases.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by plank_time » Tue, May 25, 2021, 6:35 AM UTC

paxys wrote: post #179

plank_time wrote: post #159

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Walgreens has closed over 17 stores due to increased shoplifting. It is 400% higher than the national average in SF. It’s higher in SF because the repercussions are much lower because SFPD doesn’t even bother looking. Look at the reaction to the theft of the camera. The police said the DA need video evidence, eyewitnesses don’t matter anymore, even with a picture of the car. The criminals are free to commit crimes co…

While I'm sure shoplifting is a concern, where I lived (around Market/Van Ness) there were 4 or 5 Walgreens stores within a 3 block radius. And several CVS, Safeway, Whole Foods and many other smaller independent ones on top of that. And I (and everyone I know) still ordered everything on Amazon. A couple of them have since closed, and it was long overdue IMO. Shoplifting or not there was no way they were all profita…

My friend owns a Shoppers Drug Mart in Toronto. They employ the same strategy there too. In areas with high foot traffic they have a lot of stores close by to make it hard for anyone else to start a business in the area. It ends up being more overall profitable because they take all the sales in that area leaving it harder for newer competitors to operate profitably.

ABC stores in Honolulu employ the same strategy. There are mutilple ABC stores on the same block sometimes.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by Apocryphon » Tue, May 25, 2021, 6:35 AM UTC

darkhorse22 wrote: post #262

aiisahik wrote: post #47

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I've lived in both SF and north of 110th street in NYC. I frequently visit tough parts of Bedstuy. There is absolutely no comparison - the worst parts of SF is much more dangerous than the worst parts of NYC. Expensive shithole is an appropriate description.

Strong disagree, in fact I'd say that apart from Bayview, all of SF is safe, there's just lots of property crime, which I'll grant is shitty. North of 110th St? All of Manhattan's been safe for some time now. 110th St isn't even a little iffy. There are parts of Brooklyn and the Bronx that are no-go zones that have no comparison in SF. If you want screwed up, you have to go to Oakland (and boy is it... Oaktown does i…

The Bishop of Oakland was robbed at gunpoint while walking near the Paramount Theatre just this past Saturday.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by cameldrv » Tue, May 25, 2021, 6:35 AM UTC

foogazi wrote: post #167

cameldrv wrote: post #132

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Murders don't just disappear, they are almost universally reported and investigated. Burglaries and car thefts need a police report to make an insurance claim. For crimes like assault though, if the police convince the victim that reporting it is pointless, it doesn't show up in the stats. Anecdotally, this is what I have heard is happening.

> Anecdotally hmm...

Right, anecdotally. The police don't keep stats on how often they tell crime victims to not file a report, so it's hard to get good data. If you look around on the internet, or ask people you know in SF, you will get stories.