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I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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The bathroom problem is because there is a ban on charging for toilets, nothing more, nothing less. Most businesses would be happy to have another (minor) profit center, and most people would be happy to pay. There used to be lots available for a small fee. Instead, we get no public toilets at all because it is illegal to charge, and businesses decline to operate them at a loss. Your description is of the symptom, no…

Australia here, Sydney. I would have assumed free public toilets are a government service, like they are here, in parks and train stations and dotted through the inner city on main streets. Are there no public toilets in the US?

The majority of toilets in the US, and all of the nice/good/clean ones, are on private property (businesses, et c). Any that are free to use for all get quickly destroyed.

California (the topic) has some of the highest taxes in the US, but some of the lowest levels of government services provided.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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SF's areas of poverty are mixed in with the highly visited areas and aren't really getting gentrified. Its easy to make a wrong turn. When you lived in NY did you go north of 110th st or further east then williamsburg?

I've lived in both SF and north of 110th street in NYC. I frequently visit tough parts of Bedstuy. There is absolutely no comparison - the worst parts of SF is much more dangerous than the worst parts of NYC. Expensive shithole is an appropriate description.

Strong disagree, in fact I'd say that apart from Bayview, all of SF is safe, there's just lots of property crime, which I'll grant is shitty. North of 110th St? All of Manhattan's been safe for some time now. 110th St isn't even a little iffy. There are parts of Brooklyn and the Bronx that are no-go zones that have no comparison in SF. If you want screwed up, you have to go to Oakland (and boy is it... Oaktown does it all).

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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I know my photographic rights; I was in public on public property photographing someone else on public property, which is legal in the US [1]. The only illegal happening here was theft on the part of the thief. I realize that you’re probably not based here if you think otherwise. I’m a photographer and a distance runner and I’m good enough at both to have made money off of them. Both reactions were instinctive. [1] h…

> grabbed him by his hoodie collar, and pinned him down I was referring to the battery. > I’m a photographer and a distance runner and I’m good enough at both to have made money off of them. Both reactions were instinctive. The experiences and training you have had post-birth have no bearing on your innate human instinctual responses, which are shared in common with all members of your species, including the ones tha…

Citizens in California are allowed to make a citizen's arrest including use of reasonable force.

1 - https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/penal-code/837/#3.1

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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A lot of people blame SF's prosecutor but that makes no sense, this is a policing problem. The police is lazy and won't do their job. The police union sees their role as deflecting blame while working as little as possible and collecting their six figure salaries. The reason to defund the police is because they're awful at their jobs, throwing more money after bad won't help. I know I'll be downvoted here because peo…

Actually, no, the problem isn't so much with the police as with the district attorney's office. The police can arrest these people, but it's entirely pointless when the DA won't prosecute them and they're back on the street in 24h with no penalty for their crimes whatsoever. I can't blame the police for not even bothering to arrest people they know will be let go immediately.

How is this a remotely justifiable idea? Police are paid to their job, if they're not doing it because of political disagreements that is unacceptable. We the voters determine the policy not them.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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half US homeless are in California with migrants arriving daily crime in SF has absolutely exploded These don't seem to be reflected in easily googleable stats https://www.usich.gov/tools-for-action/map/#fn[]=1400&fn[]=2... https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/stay-safe/crime-data/crim...

I really appreciate this post. This is exactly why I thumb through HackerNews comments. From the look of it, CA has ~26% of the nation’s homeless population.

The idea that the majority homeless Californians are 'migrants' from out of state is largely upper class propaganda promoted to avoid discussion of downward mobility caused by high land prices.

The problem could be solved by repealing proposition 58 and 13, establishing a state board of commisioners to reappraise all land at the state level at present market valuations, and replacing sales taxes with distributive land taxes. But property owners obviously don't want to hear that and would prefer to pretend the problem doesn't exist.

"Where does California's Homeless Population Come From?"

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/06/us/homeless-population.ht...

> As the data shows us, most of the homeless people you pass on the streets every day are in fact Californians. Some may have rented an apartment or once owned a home in your neighborhood.

> L.A.H.S.A.’s 2019 homeless count found that 64 percent of the 58,936 Los Angeles County residents experiencing homelessness had lived in the city for more than 10 years. Less than a fifth (18 percent) said they had lived out of state before becoming homeless.

> In Los Angeles, a renter earning minimum wage ($13.25 an hour) would need to work 79 hours per week to afford a one-bedroom apartment.

> Data about migration to California from other states among the housed population showed that the largest group of transplants to the state were actually college-educated professionals

> “I hear a lot of people complain that the homeless people are all from ‘somewhere else,’” wrote Ms. Kroger of Stockton, a lifelong Californian. “I think it might raise empathy and compassion if it turns out that the majority of the people who have been displaced are from the very communities in which they are now trying to survive on the streets.”

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Which policies?

Same as in France: - Being lenient towards criminals because we need to have empathy towards all humans (real victims being forgotten here); - Encouraging “deconstruction”, deconstruction of family values, of masculinity, of marriage, of traditional rules, replacement by state-sponsored benefits, which break the social fabric (a human as a free-spinning electron without roots may be healthy and wealthy, but at extrem…

> - Encouraging “deconstruction”, deconstruction of family values, of masculinity, of marriage, of traditional rules, replacement by state-sponsored benefits, which break the social fabric (a human as a free-spinning electron without roots may be healthy and wealthy, but at extremely high risk in case of unexpected event);

This conflates social reform with economic reforms. Many of the postwar welfare states in Europe were instituted by moralistic Christian democratic governments looking to undercut the support that otherwise would've gone towards the communist parties. Certainly benefits rooted in Catholic social teaching such as the family wage have nothing to do with the cultural bogeymen mentioned in the post.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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There are a lot of homeless and SF is indeed in shit hole in a lot of areas, but I don't understand people who say they wouldn't visit because it's not safe or whatever. Looking at crime rate rankings [0], SF is pretty low compared to other US cities both in terms or violant crimes and property crimes. What am I missing? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...

Most people don't file a police report when their $300 bike is stolen yet again or their car is broken into for their phone charger.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Is anybody else getting tired of the constant stream of inflammatory posts ragging on San Francisco or the Bay Area? I feel like I've been seeing one every one or two days that make it to the top of HN. These types of posts just seem to fit into this ongoing narrative that SF (and relatedly, silicon valley), are all falling apart due to poor governance. It's beginning to feel like a strong echo chamber in here. What…

SF is objectively poorly managed. It's not just anecdotal. Follow the money and see where it leads...

Personally I see the posts as a strong dose of red-pill happening here on NH as people wake up from their starry-eyed honeymoon with the city by the bay. From what I've seen, it's not just people saying "I visited and it sucked". It's people also saying "I lived there for 10+ years and it really has gone downhill".

People were willing to tolerate the politics and move there for a job. For awhile, it's okay. You're making two to three times what any of your peers are making right out of school, you're single so the rent and living situation is tolerable. You could hit Off the Grid and catch up with a few friends from the job you left 2 months ago, Uber back to Latin American Social club and get trashed on 1 3/5th margaritas, try to meet some random people at Elbow Room and then end up at Rock Horror in the Clay theatre after you didn't get a spot at the pinball machine. You walk back to coworker's rooftop over on nob hill, hit a pre-roll, and then obviously get roped into closing out Yamasho. Roll into work at 11:37am the next day just in time for catered chicken and waffles and then go interview 2 prospective new grads that your 12 person recruiting team has procured.

And then you grow up a little more. You want more space. You find a partner. You have to start thinking about schools and the type of community you want to actually help bring kids into the world. The trash and feces becomes more than just a nuisance, it's a glaring symptom of the endemic and it stares you in the face every morning as you go to work. All the fun just.. stops.. there's a global pandemic. Everyone elsewhere caught up to you in salary because you didn't want to commute 2 hours every day to work at FAANG. The FED pumps billions into the economy and your salary doesn't budge. All in all your 900 sq ft first floor apartment starts to feel really small for $3600/mo especially on top of a 13% state tax, 4% food "mandate", 1% "health tax" and general inflated retail prices across the board. Your politics mature.

I'm not saying you're wrong to be liking the area--I did for many years too and do miss it time to time. But don't just dismiss these posts as "inflammatory". The narrative is real. I even know VCs who've moved away from the area. While the issues of homelessness and crime aren't "single cause", they're also not unsolved problems in other areas. That's the point. SF, for a "world class" city, is doing an utterly terrible job of managing its population, providing resources to keep bodies off the streets, provide usable transportation, etc. Why does the city need an additional 1.5% gross receipts tax to help deal with homelessness? Because all the money is tied up in pension funds.

There's a saying: a democracy functions until the electorate realize they can vote themselves money directly out of the treasury. Couple that with rotten post-modern identity-based equity politics and you've got a recipe for a city constantly in a fiscal crisis ripe with corruption and unable to police actual crime because, quite literally, most of the well-meaning numb-sculls said "we don't want to police crime". The established landowners? "Fuck yours I got mine."

Anyway, I don't know what to say if you're tired of reading red-pill comments. Either ignore them (hit the [-] button) and participate in other threads, or help work out solutions? "I'm tired of hearing that" isn't really an answer/solution (it's not even an anecdote to the contrary). People leaving SF, while they might be giddy in the moment, probably are just as frustrated or annoyed having to make the move as you might be hearing about it. It's bittersweet for me, at least (although maybe more so because I'm a freakin' foodie).

I wrote this comment not because I enjoyed leaving or want to shit on SF or throw gas on the fire. I wrote it because it's sad to live through a city with so much potential turning out to be a corrupt "shit hole" (to use what seems to be the colloquial term nowadays) and ultimately coming to terms with the reality that SF is, like its iconic bridge, ultimately gilded. It doesn't have to be like that, and yet, with a collection of some of the brightest minds I've ever met, no real progress is made. Quite conservative for a liberal city, if you really think about it.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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post #192

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What you did was illegal. Additionally, that's a misuse of "instinctive".

I know my photographic rights; I was in public on public property photographing someone else on public property, which is legal in the US [1]. The only illegal happening here was theft on the part of the thief. I realize that you’re probably not based here if you think otherwise. I’m a photographer and a distance runner and I’m good enough at both to have made money off of them. Both reactions were instinctive. [1] h…

> I know my photographic rights

Taking the photos was probably not illegal.

Citizen’s arrest in California is legal for a misdemeanor (e.g., shoplifting as in your case) only when the arrestee is both factually guilty and committed the crime in the arresting person’s presence; whether or not the first part is true, by your description the second is not and you committed both battery and false imprisonment, possibly felony (by violence or menace) in the latter case.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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post #176

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The S.F bathroom problem is that heroin addicts go into bathrooms, they lock the door, they pass out, and die or have a psychotic break and break everything they can or smear shit all over the walls and then the store is liable for the wrongful death or they have to clean it up.

The bathroom problem is because there is a ban on charging for toilets, nothing more, nothing less. Most businesses would be happy to have another (minor) profit center, and most people would be happy to pay. There used to be lots available for a small fee. Instead, we get no public toilets at all because it is illegal to charge, and businesses decline to operate them at a loss. Your description is of the symptom, no…

Fascinating. Looks like the original motivation for the campaign was the fact that loose change was required as payment, and not really any highbrow philosophy beyond that? This should be an easily solvable problem by now (though judging by the number of quarter-only parking meters around I’m not so sure).
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