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I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

#192

It was my last day in SF after a semester-long internship, and I decided to take photos around downtown. I was passing through Union Square on my way home when I saw a guy weaving through traffic, with two people chasing after him and yelling at him to give something back. I instinctively started booking it after him, caught up to him in the middle of a food truck area, grabbed him by his hoodie collar, and pinned hi…

What you did was illegal.

Additionally, that's a misuse of "instinctive".

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

#193
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Booby traps are illegal if designed to cause bodily harm. It's not so cut-and-dry when it's something merely annoying, like a glitter bomb, though I would definitely not want to be the manufacturer trying to defend that in court.

Pepper spray, whose purpose is to cause bodily harm, was included in the list of ingredients, so the described booby trap would, indeed, be a prohibited “intended to cause bodily harm” one. (Actually, not only do the general laws on booby traps come into play, but using pepper spray other than in immediate self-defense in California is a crime.)

I realize that. That's why I said "annoying", not "less-than-lethal", and used glitter as an example.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

#194

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It isn’t half, maybe 25%? I crunched the numbers awhile ago and it was something like 2X California’s population share, which is about 12%.

Yes, it's estimated to be 26.73% in 2019 [1]. [1] https://www.usich.gov/tools-for-action/map/#fn[]=1400&fn[]=2...

'About 150,000 people experiencing homelessness live in the state, including about half the country’s estimated 211,000 residents living unsheltered on the streets or in vehicles.'

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/audit-california-track-h...

My opinion is that this is a national problem and we should revert back to a new version of JFK's 1960's model for HUD

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

#195
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There are only 6000 psych beds in all of California right now, but the state has spent 13 billion over the last 3 years on 'homeless'. Far more will be spent this year but the problems are getting worse. https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/audit-california-track-h...

It's baffling how short we are on the services we need in the richest state in the richest nation. LA county alone is anticipated to have over 100,000 homeless in the next few years. That's the population of Burbank. They aren't exactly sure how much over as they couldn't do the annual count this year, but COVID related job loss and expiring benefits should be of no help.

There's one huge issue here though, especially for a nation as liberty focused as the US. Many of the mentally ill, especially at higher levels of severity, do not seek nor desire treatment.

How would one balance the issue of disrupted mental health, with clear impediments of decision-making, against violations of personal liberty, such as with forcible commitment.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

#196
There are problems in SF, but they are not new. Not at all.

Everyone who thinks that SF has somehow magically turned into sh*thole in the last N months: no it hasn't.

I've lived in SF since mid-2011 continuously. It's been about the same, give or take.

P.S. It is unfortunate his gear got stollen. Hope the criminals get some justice.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

#197
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I've lived in both SF and north of 110th street in NYC. I frequently visit tough parts of Bedstuy. There is absolutely no comparison - the worst parts of SF is much more dangerous than the worst parts of NYC. Expensive shithole is an appropriate description.

A google search says in 2019 there were 41 murders in sf and 99 in brooklyn. though idk where to find crime by neighborhood. seems pretty equal when you account for population

Murder is not the only crime. I, and a bunch of my friends, have been attacked (punched, followed home, etc) by homeless people in SF. This has never happened to any of us anywhere else, and we are a group who travels a lot to a lot of cities, including internationally. I didn't report it to the police when I was sucker punched in the stomach by a homeless guy who ran away afterwards, because I barely saw him and what would the police do? It would just be a waste of my time. Another friend was beaten so badly he had to go to the hospital, but the police did nothing after he reported it.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

#198
post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Booby traps are illegal if designed to cause bodily harm. It's not so cut-and-dry when it's something merely annoying, like a glitter bomb, though I would definitely not want to be the manufacturer trying to defend that in court.

Pepper spray, whose purpose is to cause bodily harm, was included in the list of ingredients, so the described booby trap would, indeed, be a prohibited “intended to cause bodily harm” one. (Actually, not only do the general laws on booby traps come into play, but using pepper spray other than in immediate self-defense in California is a crime.)

Hm, okay, so let's take the pepper spray out then. Ink, honey, feathers, flour, glitter, fart spray.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

#199

SF is a weird city crime wise, lots of property crime and theft. Occasional shootings but nothing like a rust belt war zone city. San Francisco’s crime is mostly inconvenient for rich people, that’s why it’s in the news. St. Louis is the 13th most dangerous city in the world but you won’t hear about it. https://www.statista.com/statistics/243797/ranking-of-the-mo...

So you are ok with stealing if the victims are "rich"?

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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post #32

>My story originally happened to run on the same day the New York Times did a piece on the growing problem of shoplifting in the city and the reluctance of local law enforcement to police minor thefts. Clearly, this is a trend that will not play well politically and will result in changes sooner rather than later. I found this naive optimism almost hilarious. SF is in no way about to magically get better once voters…

That sounds like American coming to the USSR, seeing a line in from of the bread store and saying "well, it must be some stupid store manager that forgot to order enough bread, he'll surely be fired soon after citizens complain, and everything will return to normal!"

My interpretation would be: voters will never wake up. A more accurate version might be, that statistically voters can not wake up together with some consensus so the problem can be fixed. It's a feature of the system, not a bug. Citizens should accept and live with it.
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