I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled • Hacker News Board

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by josephcsible » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:16 AM UTC

smsm42 wrote: post #28

dmagee wrote: post #5

https://recallchesaboudin.org/

They just elected him a year ago. He didn't change since then. He promised to do exactly what he did - release criminals from jails to the streets, reduce policing and de-emphasize small crime enforcement. This is exactly what is happening now. Why would anybody want to recall him for doing exactly what they elected him to do?

> Why would anybody want to recall him for doing exactly what they elected him to do?

Because people thought that what he promised to do was good until they saw firsthand the consequences of it.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by smsm42 » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:16 AM UTC

kenneth wrote: post #32

>My story originally happened to run on the same day the New York Times did a piece on the growing problem of shoplifting in the city and the reluctance of local law enforcement to police minor thefts. Clearly, this is a trend that will not play well politically and will result in changes sooner rather than later. I found this naive optimism almost hilarious. SF is in no way about to magically get better once voters…

That sounds like American coming to the USSR, seeing a line in from of the bread store and saying "well, it must be some stupid store manager that forgot to order enough bread, he'll surely be fired soon after citizens complain, and everything will return to normal!"

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by ajmurmann » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:17 AM UTC

almost_usual wrote: post #31

SF is a weird city crime wise, lots of property crime and theft. Occasional shootings but nothing like a rust belt war zone city. San Francisco’s crime is mostly inconvenient for rich people, that’s why it’s in the news. St. Louis is the 13th most dangerous city in the world but you won’t hear about it. https://www.statista.com/statistics/243797/ranking-of-the-mo...

The NIMBY cost of living problem is definitely huge add little annoys me more. I do wonder though if that's truly the cause for the high homelessness. Where are the homeless from? Are the from SF or other parts of CA or even came there from other states because of good weather and comparatively soft treatment they receive in SF? Genuine question. I've on several occasions tried to find statistics on this, but failed.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by smsm42 » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:17 AM UTC

josephcsible wrote: post #61

smsm42 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They just elected him a year ago. He didn't change since then. He promised to do exactly what he did - release criminals from jails to the streets, reduce policing and de-emphasize small crime enforcement. This is exactly what is happening now. Why would anybody want to recall him for doing exactly what they elected him to do?

> Why would anybody want to recall him for doing exactly what they elected him to do? Because people thought that what he promised to do was good until they saw firsthand the consequences of it.

But do they? I'm still not sure they actually do.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by psychomugs » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:17 AM UTC

It was my last day in SF after a semester-long internship, and I decided to take photos around downtown. I was passing through Union Square on my way home when I saw a guy weaving through traffic, with two people chasing after him and yelling at him to give something back.

I instinctively started booking it after him, caught up to him in the middle of a food truck area, grabbed him by his hoodie collar, and pinned him down while I waited for the pursuers to catch up. It turns out he ran out of their shoe store with a pair that he was trying on. While I was holding him down, I realized that I still had my camera in my hand, and I instinctively took photos during the whole ordeal [1].

Between this episode and others I’ve seen or heard about (buckets of literal shit in the streets, friends-of-friends getting mugged in broad daylight, sometimes right outside their apartments), SF is really low on the list of places I want to live in.

[1] https://www.instagram.com/p/BrtlSaPAMNG/

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by Cookingboy » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:17 AM UTC

imgabe wrote: post #50

olivermarks wrote: post #30

SF District Attorney Chesa Boudin ran for office in November 2019 focusing his campaign on ending mass incarceration with restorative justice models, rather than punitive incarceral methods. Since then crime in SF has absolutely exploded, fuelled by proposition 47 which reduced stealing less than $900 day to a misdemeanor. Add in a massive opioid crisis and the result is a rapidly growing crisis of shoplifting, petty…

It seems like a group of 10 concerned citizens could get together and steal $9000 per day from Chesa Boudin until he realizes this is a bad policy.

Oh he absolutely knows it's bad policy, however he also knows it wins votes from people in San Francisco.

The problem is a large numbers of voters in SF don't realize it's bad policy, and maybe a bigger problem would be why are district attorneys elected positions in the first place?

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by anonAndOn » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:17 AM UTC

imgabe wrote: post #6

I'm sure it's skewed because of the Internet, but between Twitter and Hacker News it sounds like San Francisco is basically Somalia now.

Never left the Palisades, have you? SF has tons of property crime but much less of the violence you'd find in hellholes like St. Louis, Missouri or Baltimore, Maryland.[0]

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by artificial » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:18 AM UTC

epicureanideal wrote: post #60

imgabe wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like a group of 10 concerned citizens could get together and steal $9000 per day from Chesa Boudin until he realizes this is a bad policy.

The politicians would find a way to charge you for it, because the law in the USA is applied in an arbitrary and capricious manner. If you're not a political opponent of them, they'll let the law operate (or not) as it normally would. If you're a political opponent, they'll scour the laws to find something to get you with, or at least prosecute you until you're bankrupt even knowing they won't convict. See also: "By…

How’s that working out in practice in San Fran?

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by xrd » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:18 AM UTC

bosswipe wrote: post #20

A lot of people blame SF's prosecutor but that makes no sense, this is a policing problem. The police is lazy and won't do their job. The police union sees their role as deflecting blame while working as little as possible and collecting their six figure salaries. The reason to defund the police is because they're awful at their jobs, throwing more money after bad won't help. I know I'll be downvoted here because peo…

Has defunding happened in SF already since the protests? If there has not been a significant defunding, then this is the police failing at the one thing they were hired to do. Why is no one else in the comments section here asking why the police are not responsible for cleaning up this mess but instead it is all the fault of "progressive politicians?"

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by spankyspangler » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:18 AM UTC

premium-komodo wrote: post #3

Yes, that seems to be how it is in SF. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arss9V3A1VA Is it possible that, despite good intentions, the policies being implemented there actually have very harmful effects?

It is possible that it is bad intentions.

If the consequences of peoples' actions are externalized, if they are relieved of any responsibility to provide for themselves, and if they are brainwashed from birth into believing that they can't help themselves but all their fortune is determined by the prejudice or benevolence of other races or classes of people, the results are not slightly surprising to anyone with a vague grasp of human nature.