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I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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I'm sure it's skewed because of the Internet, but between Twitter and Hacker News it sounds like San Francisco is basically Somalia now.

It’s just Hacker News confirmation bias. San Francisco has roughly the same level of property crime per capita as Toronto, Canada.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

#83
post #27

There are a lot of homeless and SF is indeed in shit hole in a lot of areas, but I don't understand people who say they wouldn't visit because it's not safe or whatever. Looking at crime rate rankings [0], SF is pretty low compared to other US cities both in terms or violant crimes and property crimes. What am I missing? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...

Sort by theft and that's just the reported number. We experienced theft about once a year. Never bothered to report.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

#84
post #9

In early 2020, before lockdown, I visited San Francisco as a tourist with my wife. We took a wrong turn at a book store and wound up on a street covered in feces. The next street was fine. Then on the next, we watched a homeless woman shoot up on the street. Then a supercar pulled into a garage. I'm not the best traveled, I'll admit, so I can't compare SF to foreign cities. I'm a simple hillbilly from the Southeast,…

Have you been to Detroit? The blight and violent crime are are far beyond San Francisco. Less feces and needles though.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

#85
post #50

SF District Attorney Chesa Boudin ran for office in November 2019 focusing his campaign on ending mass incarceration with restorative justice models, rather than punitive incarceral methods. Since then crime in SF has absolutely exploded, fuelled by proposition 47 which reduced stealing less than $900 day to a misdemeanor. Add in a massive opioid crisis and the result is a rapidly growing crisis of shoplifting, petty…

It seems like a group of 10 concerned citizens could get together and steal $9000 per day from Chesa Boudin until he realizes this is a bad policy.

Many cases are dropped by Boudin's office for insufficient proof, so police has to release suspects. All Boudin needs to do is to not drop that one case involving him.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

#86
post #27

There are a lot of homeless and SF is indeed in shit hole in a lot of areas, but I don't understand people who say they wouldn't visit because it's not safe or whatever. Looking at crime rate rankings [0], SF is pretty low compared to other US cities both in terms or violant crimes and property crimes. What am I missing? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...

In that wikipedia article, sort by "Larceny-Theft" descending. San Francisco is number 2 per capita. The issue with San Francisco is that, like this author reported, you see so much brazen property crime, in broad daylight with tons of people around, in otherwise upscale and/or touristy areas. Most of the crime in other cities is concentrated in bad neighborhoods (that is pretty much what makes a bad neighborhood bad…

> The issue with San Francisco is that, like this author reported, you see so much brazen property crime [...] in otherwise upscale and/or touristy areas.

This is, in fact, the problem: that crime in SF isn’t as concentrated on the disenfranchised underclass as the elites prefer it to be.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

#87
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SF's areas of poverty are mixed in with the highly visited areas and aren't really getting gentrified. Its easy to make a wrong turn. When you lived in NY did you go north of 110th st or further east then williamsburg?

I've lived in both SF and north of 110th street in NYC. I frequently visit tough parts of Bedstuy. There is absolutely no comparison - the worst parts of SF is much more dangerous than the worst parts of NYC. Expensive shithole is an appropriate description.

A google search says in 2019 there were 41 murders in sf and 99 in brooklyn. though idk where to find crime by neighborhood. seems pretty equal when you account for population

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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SF District Attorney Chesa Boudin ran for office in November 2019 focusing his campaign on ending mass incarceration with restorative justice models, rather than punitive incarceral methods. Since then crime in SF has absolutely exploded, fuelled by proposition 47 which reduced stealing less than $900 day to a misdemeanor. Add in a massive opioid crisis and the result is a rapidly growing crisis of shoplifting, petty…

Crime has exploded across the US since the start of COVID, not just SF. So I'm not convinced Chesa is to blame. Which isn't too say I'm a big fan of his either.

Homelessness is indeed a problem, but according to the biannual survey, most of the unhoused are from the bay area. This suggested the crisis is the result of skyrocketing rents and the steady disappearance of SROs. Yet another thing we can thank Nimbys for.

Shoplifting does appear to be a real issue, although it's unclear why it's so much worse in SF. Proposition 47 is statewide after all.

I was born and raised in SF. Crime was much much worse in the 80s and 90s. Not saying we don't need changes, but it isn't a post apocalyptic hellhole... Yet.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

#89
FYI this type of stuff was happening in SF well before Chesa Boudin. An SF local news crew was robbed (and shot) while reporting in Oakland (https://deadline.com/2019/02/san-francisco-news-crew-robbed-...). More recently an SF news crew was robbed while reporting on car breakins, granted this was during Boudin's tenure.

Maybe Chesa Boudin's policies aren't helping, but whatever we had before wasn't working either, and with the pandemic happening at the same time I think it's unfair to solely put the blame on him due to confounding variables.

I lived in SF for almost 10 years and it seemed like property crime crime was gradually ticking up well before Chesa Boudin. The easy culprit to blame is honestly just massive and growing income inequality. If you really want a solution to the problem, close off SF from the rest of the poor United States, or lower the income inequality.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

#90
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like a group of 10 concerned citizens could get together and steal $9000 per day from Chesa Boudin until he realizes this is a bad policy.

The politicians would find a way to charge you for it, because the law in the USA is applied in an arbitrary and capricious manner. If you're not a political opponent of them, they'll let the law operate (or not) as it normally would. If you're a political opponent, they'll scour the laws to find something to get you with, or at least prosecute you until you're bankrupt even knowing they won't convict. See also: "By…

It needs to be a decentralized protest effort where the risk is shared. 100 individual actors stealing $899 of stuff from his garden over the course of a year and disappearing into the night until he gets the message. Would air to great effect on Fox news.

Unfortunately the political right is unbelievably bad at protest efforts.

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