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Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by ma2rten »

throwaway1959 wrote: post #7

I do not think that the current crime situation in San Francisco appeared by some fluke or an accident. Specific policies were put in place by the progressive government officials and progressive people in San Francisco voted for these policies. I think is a cautionary tale for the rest of the country on what happens when progressive utopia gets voted in.

I actually don't know if the crime rate in SF is higher than elsewhere, but if it is I think cause is the opposite. It's what happens when capitalism goes unchecked. Cost of living is on the rise while wages are stagnant. Crimes are often committed by people who are desperate. Also there are no facilities for people who are mentally ill, who will go on to commit crimes.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

jypepin wrote: post #27

There are a lot of homeless and SF is indeed in shit hole in a lot of areas, but I don't understand people who say they wouldn't visit because it's not safe or whatever. Looking at crime rate rankings [0], SF is pretty low compared to other US cities both in terms or violant crimes and property crimes. What am I missing? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...

You're "missing" that San Francisco's policies (and to a degree California's as a whole) are always used as political footballs. Whatever the perceived issue is, it's always clearly due to [insert controversial policy and/or politician here, whether the controversy is genuine or imagined] and a sign of why San Francisco is always [the way of the future|an object lesson to others].

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by olivermarks »

cosmicexplorer wrote: post #23

I hope everyone in this thread talking about feeling unsafe understands they can leave San Francisco. Lived in the Tenderloin for almost 4 years now and this type of discussion always fills my throat with bile. Haven’t posted on HN for a long time but wanted to emphasize how little I think of this rhetoric. “Progressive policies”? Use your words.

@cosmicexplorer I just donated some money this weekend to help tihs kid and her grandmother escape the Tenderloin. Supervisor Matt Haney is in cloud cuckoo land, the local politicians are ideological idiots. This is a disaster for the D party (I'm a registered Democrat).

Kids shouldn't be growing up in streets littered with dead and dying addicts shooting up while drug dealers hover over them. It is an absolute disgrace. https://twitter.com/DTenderloine

https://www.gofundme.com/f/5csnc-moving-expenses?utm_campaig...

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by gumby »

84fryb75 wrote: post #9

In early 2020, before lockdown, I visited San Francisco as a tourist with my wife. We took a wrong turn at a book store and wound up on a street covered in feces. The next street was fine. Then on the next, we watched a homeless woman shoot up on the street. Then a supercar pulled into a garage. I'm not the best traveled, I'll admit, so I can't compare SF to foreign cities. I'm a simple hillbilly from the Southeast,…

> Also, I've always refused to move to Silicon Valley, despite working in tech. I don't regret it.

It’s much nicer, if you can stand suburbia, and more technology oriented than SF, which used to simply be the Valley’s bedroom community.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by caycep »

bosswipe wrote: post #20

A lot of people blame SF's prosecutor but that makes no sense, this is a policing problem. The police is lazy and won't do their job. The police union sees their role as deflecting blame while working as little as possible and collecting their six figure salaries. The reason to defund the police is because they're awful at their jobs, throwing more money after bad won't help. I know I'll be downvoted here because peo…

I would agree with this seeing public statements by LASD (Villeneueva) here in LA and his colleagues in Riverside and Orange Counties, as well as counterparts in police unions, and also unofficial chatter on twitter and elsewhere. It's not so much "progressive policies: lax on crime" vs. a reform prosecutor is in town, and I suspect there is deliberate pullback by the police unions, to let crime increase and get them voted out and replaced by a more cop-friendly prosecutor.

Factor in a not insignificant dose of squeamishness among police rank and file due to the pandemic (not unreasonable since first responders are at a higher risk of exposure) and policing isn't really optimal at the moment; at a time when the current economics foster desperation.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by xyzzyz »

bosswipe wrote: post #20

A lot of people blame SF's prosecutor but that makes no sense, this is a policing problem. The police is lazy and won't do their job. The police union sees their role as deflecting blame while working as little as possible and collecting their six figure salaries. The reason to defund the police is because they're awful at their jobs, throwing more money after bad won't help. I know I'll be downvoted here because peo…

Policing problem? SF police is explicitly forbidden from arresting anyone for most misdemeanors. Criminals just get a citation, a court date, and are set on their way.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by aiisahik »

tayo42 wrote: post #29
84fryb75 wrote: post #9

In early 2020, before lockdown, I visited San Francisco as a tourist with my wife. We took a wrong turn at a book store and wound up on a street covered in feces. The next street was fine. Then on the next, we watched a homeless woman shoot up on the street. Then a supercar pulled into a garage. I'm not the best traveled, I'll admit, so I can't compare SF to foreign cities. I'm a simple hillbilly from the Southeast,…

SF's areas of poverty are mixed in with the highly visited areas and aren't really getting gentrified. Its easy to make a wrong turn. When you lived in NY did you go north of 110th st or further east then williamsburg?

I've lived in both SF and north of 110th street in NYC. I frequently visit tough parts of Bedstuy. There is absolutely no comparison - the worst parts of SF is much more dangerous than the worst parts of NYC. Expensive shithole is an appropriate description.

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Post by chrischen »

jwilber wrote: post #8
premium-komodo wrote: post #3

Yes, that seems to be how it is in SF. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arss9V3A1VA Is it possible that, despite good intentions, the policies being implemented there actually have very harmful effects?

Yeah, I think that hits the nail on the head. The nimby problem, on the other hand, shows how selfish intentions can also lead to very harmful effects. Spent 5 years there and am not envious of anyone living in the Bay at all.

I actually think NIMBYism isn't a San Francisco specific problem. It was just brought to the forefront because many people decided to move there all of a sudden. But the reality is most popular places have people choosing to protect their property values.

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Post by krmboya »

cyphertruck wrote: post #21
imgabe wrote: post #6

I'm sure it's skewed because of the Internet, but between Twitter and Hacker News it sounds like San Francisco is basically Somalia now.

I’m not taking offense wt your statement, but do want to say: You are being unkind to Somalia. I’m serious. The perception of Somalia is skewed heavily by western news for the simple reason that the Somali people rebuffed the attempted invasion by US & UK proxy forces. (Guessing you most Americans don’t know that even happened.) Somaliland isn't somewhere I would want to live, but I would pick it over the Bay Area. W…

Somaliland is an autonomous region seeking to break away from the larger Somalia and get international recognition as an independent nation. From what I hear, it is a relatively peaceful and orderly place

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by imgabe »

olivermarks wrote: post #30

SF District Attorney Chesa Boudin ran for office in November 2019 focusing his campaign on ending mass incarceration with restorative justice models, rather than punitive incarceral methods. Since then crime in SF has absolutely exploded, fuelled by proposition 47 which reduced stealing less than $900 day to a misdemeanor. Add in a massive opioid crisis and the result is a rapidly growing crisis of shoplifting, petty…

It seems like a group of 10 concerned citizens could get together and steal $9000 per day from Chesa Boudin until he realizes this is a bad policy.
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