European countries should now close their air space to any flights in or out of Belarus until this guy is surrendered in good health.
But Germans love dictators!!! They will never introduce sanctions against any of them.
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#282Earlier quoted context omitted.
This has also been set in motion: https://i.redd.it/elts5rgbg0171.jpg
Worth noting that the EU has banned entire nations (such as Kazakhstan and others) from flying in EU airspace before for not meeting safety expectations. It is absolutely within possibility to ban Belarus for an overt Chicago convention violation.
>It is absolutely within possibility to ban Belarus for an overt Chicago convention violation.
EU did the same thing in 2013 by forcing the Bolivian president's plane to land in an effort to catch Snowden. They have no moral or legal standing here whatsoever.
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#283Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a random result when you search for Borrell in Moscow. Look for his behavior in Turkey if you want some more examples of how random this guy is while he is considered an EU representative. His position requires for him to coordinate responses of the 27, but he is just wandering around wasting time and resources. As far as the EU is an economic powerhouse, letting dictators do whatever they want while allowed…
Some EU member states (Hungary, Poland) are very much against handing over any diplomatic power to the High Representative. Hungarian government is basically acting as a Putin proxy here and Polish ruling party feeds on constant conflict.
No, they're not a Putin proxy. What they're doing is literally pissing against the wind. A recent example: Hungary has bought vaccines from Russia and China which are not approved by the EMA. Now their recipients are basically not recognised as vaccinated and will face travel issues.
Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace
#284https://www.flightradar24.com/WZZ6285/27cf8309
Interesting - they avoid Russia (it appears overflying Russia instead would also be about the same distance and involve only one overfly fee).
Russia actually only allows one airline per country to overfly, generally[1]. So if Aer Lingus already has the concession, Ryanair can't even pay. Also, doesn't really solve this because Russia wouldn't have an issue doing exactly this either.
Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace
#285Earlier quoted context omitted.
Worth noting that the EU has banned entire nations (such as Kazakhstan and others) from flying in EU airspace before for not meeting safety expectations. It is absolutely within possibility to ban Belarus for an overt Chicago convention violation.
>It is absolutely within possibility to ban Belarus for an overt Chicago convention violation. EU did the same thing in 2013 by forcing the Bolivian president's plane to land in an effort to catch Snowden. They have no moral or legal standing here whatsoever. https://euobserver.com/justice/120734
No. You don't underestand. Snowden = american criminal. America = our friend. This guy = belorussian criminal. Lukashenkon - until some months ago our friend, now - our enemy.
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#286Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the US has demonstrated enough "possibility of intervention" since 1991, wouldn't you agree...? Kuwait is "free" but Iraq is lost to Iran, Afghanistan and Rwanda are still a mess. Guns don't solve everything.
I would consider intervention in Yugoslavia pretty successful actually, instead of genocidal nationalist dictatorship we have a couple of democracies - not without their problems, but still no comparison to Milosevic regime. Interventions in Iraq, Lybia and Syria can be seen as failures if we consider the bold goal to bring democracy to the Middle East. But at least these countries don't attack other countries any mo…
Yugoslavia was screwed up in the first place by foreign countries sponsoring separatists in Slovenia and Croatia. When that predictably turned out to be a terrible idea, “we” then decided to solve it with bombs, and while doing it we came pretty close to massive escalation with the Russians. We barely mopped up a mess of “our” own making, and it’s still a mess down South. “Successful” is not a word I would use.
Lybia is more of a mess than under Qaddafi, which means the issues with migration to Europe have worsened and the Lybians themselves are worse than they were. Same for Iraq. I won’t get into Syria since that wasn’t really a straight military intervention.
Yea, what Belarus really needs now is a good civil war, so that Putin can annex more territory on one side and we can create a new border that will be forever disputed. Or, as alternative, we can have them be the casus belli for thermonuclear war between NATO and Russia, that will work great.
Or you know, we can wait. Worst case scenario, Lukashenko sooner or later will die. Best case, enough of his security apparatus will decide he’s not worth propping up anymore. Either way, no guns required.
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#287Earlier quoted context omitted.
If the UN were used in the way you are suggesting, the UN wouldn't exist.
https://www.un.org/un70/en/content/history/index.html > The United Nations is an international organization founded in 1945 after the Second World War by 51 countries committed to maintaining international peace and security , developing friendly relations among nations and promoting social progress, better living standards and human rights. If UN is committed to do something good for having better living standards a…
It’s impossible for the UN to both (a) grant membership to every broadly recognized independent country in the world and (b) consistently act in support of human rights.
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#288Earlier quoted context omitted.
No use of airspace and no trade with NATO countries until the prisoners are released. It would take a week.
No use of airspace is already being discussed and likely going to happen. NATO is a military alliance, not a trade union. There's no way for them to organize what you're suggesting. > It would take a week. Fidel might like to have a word with you...
Was Fidel being offered sanctions to end by releasing a specific hostage? Or was he being asked to relinquish power?
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#289Earlier quoted context omitted.
The recent incident is painted in exactly the same light by Belarus authorities. They say that the plane was diverted due to a terrorist threat. All passengers were safely evacuated, and once the threat was cleared, they were allowed to continue their trip. During their time in Belarusian soil, one passenger was detained, for completely unrelated reasons. Of course Belarusian police could not do otherwise than detain…
Be that as it may, the "Somebody else got away with it!" line is not a valid defense for anything.
Monkey see, monkey do. It's not a defence, it's just the nature of the beast.
If you don't want the monkey to do something, you better make damn sure he doesn't see you doing it first.
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#290Earlier quoted context omitted.
The question was if people (I assumed a regular folk, not journalists and opposition) are allowed to make jokes about the government, and I answered to that. Of course I know that Russia has no traces of democracy left and I am aware how Russia targets high-profile people, including journalists. You should be more reserved before telling people they don't know anything.
No, the question was: > Do you see it headed towards China, where no internal criticism is allowed? But if you’re a russian opposed to Putin you cant’t really answer that on a western-run online platform.. (unless you’re considered insignificant enough by the Russian government, so you can safely be ignored of course)
I answered to this question:
> are people allowed to make jokes about their own government in Russia?