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How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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I concluded Mac interface designers are out of touch with reality when I found out that to "eject" pendrives you had to drag them to the trash bin.

I mean, now they do show a convenient "eject" symbol next to the name of the remove-able drive on the Finder, but the "drag to trash" thing still work, and it always surprises people, they always assume it means you want to delete all files in a disk, not that you want to eject the disk.

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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post #106

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> well the usual fx keys aren't doing it When you say the 'usual' function keys... do you really mean some other system's function keys? Why would you expect macOS to use the same function keys as a different system? There's no standards body for these things.

> There's no standards body for these things. Yes there is -- it's called CUA (Common User Access) "The subset of CUA implemented in Microsoft Windows or OSF/Motif is generally considered a de facto standard to be followed by any new Unix GUI environment." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Common_User_Access

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Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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First, not going to claim that macOS is "intuitive", because my in my experience, "intuitive" usually means very different things to different people. As a long-time Mac, Windows, and Linux user... I'll say that there are plenty of random broken things on the Mac, but there are also a few nice things that work very consistently on the Mac, but you'd never think to try them because you're used to them not working on L…

Those proxy icons are brilliant. I only discovered them a short while ago but use them all the time now. It’s a shame they are hidden in Big Sur.

I suspect the fact that they appear when you hover around there, ie occasionally move, could make them more discoverable.

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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post #54

Mac's are not intuitive. But then, neither are Windows machines or Ubuntu machines. I've yet to use an intuitive machine. The most intuitive thing is the command line ... but you have to learn so much before you can use your machine from the command line ... its not an investment worth making unless you're a developer.

> The most intuitive thing is the command line Are you joking? Searching in a windowed app usally brings up a dialog with various search options that can be ticked. Learning options for grep/awk/sed etc. is incredible tedious. Like most things, there is a difference between intuitive for person A and person B and this is not the same as whether a power user can invest time learning a tool and then become super fast a…

Of course it’s intuitive. It’s a conversation. It’s a weird and complicated language, but you talk to the computer and it talks back.

Don’t confuse intuitive with easy or familiar.

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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post #139

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I think this is a common view held by experienced computer users, because they don't consider which parts of their own usage patterns are a component of their advanced knowledge, and which are inherent to all users. For example: an experienced user is more likely to notice that closing a window in macOS backgrounds the app, and more likely to figure out how to fully exit the app process completely (either via Cmd+Q o…

I think you mean “experienced Windows user using macOS”. What you describe are consistent design choices on the Mac. If you flipped things around and only knew Macs and went to Windows, you might be surprised that closing a window there exits an app! There’s no reason one behavior is more correct than the other.

That’s only by convention. Both OSes have an application with 0-x windows. macOS is just more transparent

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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post #15

The entire thing used to be super intuitive and consistent. Disk images were the mac equivalent of a compressed folder, e.g. zip. And I find the "compressedd virtual usb-stick" idea a lot more intuitive than the whole "we cram files into other files and loose all metadata" shenanigans. Apps used to be simple files in the finest unix tradition. No weird installer that does who knows what, no wizards, no special system…

Or "uninstalling" apps, always kind of confusing on Windows. Not on the Mac. Still, I think it's not that the Mac is not that intuitive any more, it's that Windows has more or less caught up.

Uninstalling on windows wasn't only confusing, it was straight up broken, since applications were leaving random junk everywhere in the filesystem. Bonus points for when that junk prevented subsequent install.

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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post #14

I bought a Mac in 2014 after a lifetime of using Windows. I never understood why people called it easier to use than Windows. Maybe this sentiment is a holdover from an earlier era when people would mindlessly run executables and zip files attached in emails and AIM messages. From a UI perspective, it's 90% identical to windows. From a UX perspective though, something fundamental like Finder is still not up to the jo…

1. If you click Finder and nothing opens, it means you already have a Finder window open somewhere or your device is broken. It's dumb and I wish it just opened a Finder window. As far as I know, there's no way to do this without scripting. 2. Right-click on the folder name in a Finder window to see and go up the folder hierarchy. 3. Make sure Finder is active and go to the View menu and select Show Path Bar. 4. I'm…

Cmd-n for new window

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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post #14

I bought a Mac in 2014 after a lifetime of using Windows. I never understood why people called it easier to use than Windows. Maybe this sentiment is a holdover from an earlier era when people would mindlessly run executables and zip files attached in emails and AIM messages. From a UI perspective, it's 90% identical to windows. From a UX perspective though, something fundamental like Finder is still not up to the jo…

Strictly speaking a directory doesn't have an order and you are just switching the UI to show folders sorted.

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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I think apple lost interest in the desktop years ago and are eternally surprised it's still lasting, run as an afterthough. Why is deleting a file from a usb stick to free up space so fiddly? No one has ever taken the time to really think through how things work.

Are you fucking kidding? How do you explain the M1?

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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post #62

In my experience, growing up in parts of the world and segments of it's population where macos has never been pervasive, a non-techy user that had to use my Mac laptop for casual browsing struggles to understand how to even start (I hide my dock). In my view, the idea that Mac has been more usable and democratizing (for personal computing) is not backed by either market data or personal anecdote. Pre-iOS, Windows was…

This is why the Guest Account feature is good. You can give someone a vanilla Mac OS X account to play with.
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