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Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by toyg »

gostsamo wrote: post #108
ols wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

„The Common Foreign and Security Policy […] deals only with a specific part of the EU's external relations, which domains include mainly Trade and Commercial Policy and other areas such as funding to third countries, etc” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Foreign_and_Security_Po...

This is a random result when you search for Borrell in Moscow. Look for his behavior in Turkey if you want some more examples of how random this guy is while he is considered an EU representative. His position requires for him to coordinate responses of the 27, but he is just wandering around wasting time and resources. As far as the EU is an economic powerhouse, letting dictators do whatever they want while allowed…

The HR post is a bit of an in-joke in European circles. It's being given to 2nd-rate European politicians who like to travel, and has zero effective power. The hard decisions are all taken among NATO members and are then ratified in the European Council.

Sadly this is one of the current issues of the EU project, nation-states flatly refuse to hand over anything related to defense. It's a great victory for the US.

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by liaukovv »

trhway wrote: post #80
andrewshadura wrote: post #70

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Please don't use the word batka to refer to Lukashenko. The word means father, and it was originally used to mock Belarusian for supposedly liking his approach to ruling the country. He's no father to any of us, and it's insulting to Belarusians to see someone referring to him this way.

i think you are mistaken here. Bat'ka in this context is more like Bat'ka Mahno, ie. a leader outside of formal rules and leading more by personal power like a leader of a gang or a rebellion (or for example in Belarussian context - "Bat'ka Minay", a commander in WWII Belarussian guerilla resistance https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A8%D0%BC%D1%8B%D1%80%D1%91... ). > it was originally used to mock Belarusian for supp…

It's belarusian word for father

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by agilob »

cookguyruffles wrote: post #36
iso1631 wrote: post #12

But Ryanair havent https://www.flightradar24.com/RYR7BJ/27cf72bf FR3340 flying from Pafos, Cyprus to Tallin, Estonia, is about to cross from Ukraine into Belarus airspace A route avoiding Belarus would have added at 56 miles to the 1740 mile journey, about 3%. http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=pfo-tll,pfo-EPBP-tll

Adding an extra 50 yards to any single Ryanair flight would likely bankrupt the company

>likely bankrupt the company

Good, let's do it.

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by dandanua »

egao1980 wrote: post #123

On 21st of October 2016 Ukraine did the same to Belavia flight, including fighter jet etc. I haven't heard of any international uproar or calls to ban Ukrainian air companies / avoid airspace.

Lie, it's far from "the same". The flight started from Kyiv and still was in the Ukrainian airspace.

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by vbezhenar »

gostsamo wrote: post #46
thinkingemote wrote: post #31

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I know that people can joke about the west in Russia but are people allowed to make jokes about their own government in Russia and in the associated eastern european states? Is it like China yet? I'm guessing not as there's no visible list of banned words and phrases, but we don't see (in HN) much criticism of Russia, Belarus from there, just attacks on the hypocrisy of the West. Do you see it headed towards China, w…

It is a crime to make caricatures of Vladimir Putin. Someone is downvoting this comment to death, so I'm sharing the story for the brave and curious. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/04/05...

Pikabu is one of the most popular Russian websites (something like Reddit). Here's search results of Putin caricatures: https://pikabu.ru/tag/%D0%92%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BC%D...

It might be a crime, but it's not enforced enough, obviously.

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by boomboomsubban »

mikro2nd wrote: post #104
mrweasel wrote: post #32

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>This will likely have no consequences to the regime in Belarus That's the problem with sanctions, at some point you run of of things to take away. From then on your target can pretty much do what ever they want, knowing that things can't really get any worse.

Not so. Sanctions can be devastatingly effective applied by a significant majority of the world over a length of time. Sanctions were the instrument that brought an end to the Apartheid regime in South Africa: sanctions, having brought the South African economy to its knees, were a key factor in forcing the ruling regime to the negotiating table. Yes, in some fairytale world the ruling National Party could have conti…

Let's ignore how ridiculous it is to give the West the credit for ending apartheid and that the economic growth of South Africa really doesn't back up your claim that sanctions were the key.

Even assuming you're right about the cause, the success story of sanctions would be a South African economy that never recovered leading to the suffering of millions. That's what happens when they "work."

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by relativ575 »

ghostwriter wrote: post #62
V-2 wrote: post #29

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Well - they obviously had enough fuel to simply fly back to Russia if Snowden were actually on board. I'm not saying I support that action - I'm only pointing out these two incidents aren't quite in the same category.

> I'm only pointing out these two incidents aren't quite in the same category. they are the same in motives and principles - in both cases a state pressure was applied to extract an undesirable to the regime citizen from a plane. Focusing on technicalities of the act doesn't resolve the issue with the nature of the act - the corrupt state acting as a bully to coerce its rightful citizen into submittance, with all ava…

Look, ignoring moral standing, every countries have fugitives they want to capture. Talking about motive is meaningless. How that being carried out is important. Morales' entourage weren't in danger. They could have chosen to land in Vienna to send a message for all we know.

Belarus disregarded convention and put passengers in the harm way. Ryanair's flight didn't have a choice. Simple as that.

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Post by intricatedetail »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #88
redleader55 wrote: post #75

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Germany insistence on closing nuclear power plants is doing Europe a lot of harm. It opens up one of the great powers of Europe to be controlled by Russia.

It's just making an option for energy cheaper. Russia needs it too, since they can't sell with profits internally. From my POV, it's just an additional option you get to sanction them with if they are acting in bad faith ( again) while getting cheaper options.

That's akin to approving products made using forced labour because they are cheaper. I think international community needs to shut down this little German-Russia thing going on. If we can learn anything from the history, such alliance never ended well for the rest of Europe.

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Post by vbezhenar »

heavenlyblue wrote: post #57
golergka wrote: post #28

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European diplomats being "strongly concerned" have long become a running joke here in Russia: https://twitter.com/ISEUConcerned I sincerely hope that this statement finally gets backed up by some decisive action that can put real pressure on these dictators, but I don't get my hopes up.

What is the probability of this account being owned by Russian government? I would say 99% and you’re just perpetuating the same propaganda.

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Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

hutzlibu wrote: post #110
tacker2000 wrote: post #41

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As a EU citizen, this is quite hilarious. The EU is so toothless it hurts.

Would you prefer a strong, centralised EU government with a strong leader (aka dictator)? Well, I don't. But this is the only way to take direct action - as the individual members are not of a single mind.

"centralised EU government with a strong leader (aka dictator)?"

Those are the only two options? Like how you can either have people dying because they cant afford a surgery, or you become EUSSR?

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