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Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by raverbashing »

tacker2000 wrote: post #41
golergka wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

European diplomats being "strongly concerned" have long become a running joke here in Russia: https://twitter.com/ISEUConcerned I sincerely hope that this statement finally gets backed up by some decisive action that can put real pressure on these dictators, but I don't get my hopes up.

As a EU citizen, this is quite hilarious. The EU is so toothless it hurts.

Good, so you're in favour of an EU army? Armed invasion of Bielorussia to kidnap the guy back?

The geopolitical armchair experts complain more about responses than actually giving realistic suggestions to give.

(Sure, we can cut Belarus out, and see thousands of "Russian tourists" go for a holiday there right after - maybe that would be a good response?). And yes, you won't see me defending Borrell.

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by _0w8t »

jcaldas wrote: post #49
proxysna wrote: post #16

This affects me directly since i am working outside of Belarus now and rely on air travel to visit my family, still this feels like the only reasonable answer to KGB messing with airlines. I am expecting that most planes to Belarus, from EU are going to be cancelled and people will have to reroute their travel through Moscow. In general it is terrifying how far my country went down the path of turning into another Tu…

Lukashenko will not go down without a fight, and Russia is very unwilling to see a color revolution again next to its borders. Putin dreams of annexing Belarus. Couple this with the EU's overall weakness and fragmented interests (eg nordstream 2), and it's hard to imagine a good outcome. A few sanctions will come out of this that will make EU officials look good and further place Belarus into Russian hands (namely, a…

It is not that clear that Russia all that happy about the incident. A girlfriend of Roman Protasevich, who is a Russian citizen, was also detained and that already caused PR issues for Kremlin.

Plus there is even comments from Russia’s Duma about how this can be damaging for Russia.

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by wp381640 »

cookguyruffles wrote: post #36
iso1631 wrote: post #12

But Ryanair havent https://www.flightradar24.com/RYR7BJ/27cf72bf FR3340 flying from Pafos, Cyprus to Tallin, Estonia, is about to cross from Ukraine into Belarus airspace A route avoiding Belarus would have added at 56 miles to the 1740 mile journey, about 3%. http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=pfo-tll,pfo-EPBP-tll

Adding an extra 50 yards to any single Ryanair flight would likely bankrupt the company

I doubt that - pre-COVID they were one of the most profitable airlines in the world

They’re just ruthless in cost cutting to get those profits

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by jahnu »

golergka wrote: post #28
dekoruotas wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has also been set in motion: https://i.redd.it/elts5rgbg0171.jpg

European diplomats being "strongly concerned" have long become a running joke here in Russia: https://twitter.com/ISEUConcerned I sincerely hope that this statement finally gets backed up by some decisive action that can put real pressure on these dictators, but I don't get my hopes up.

There is this reaction in internet communities to demand a kind of reaction from a democratic organisation that would only be possible in an autocracy.

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by input_sh »

tacker2000 wrote: post #41
golergka wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

European diplomats being "strongly concerned" have long become a running joke here in Russia: https://twitter.com/ISEUConcerned I sincerely hope that this statement finally gets backed up by some decisive action that can put real pressure on these dictators, but I don't get my hopes up.

As a EU citizen, this is quite hilarious. The EU is so toothless it hurts.

Couldn't agree more. The pattern is basically:

1. High-ranking official says they're "gravely/deeply/very concerned" within the first 24-48h.

2. Some EU parliament member mentions the problem within two or three weeks, shaming other members. A clip of this few minutes long speech gets shared all over social media.

3. Absolutely nothing happens until everyone forgets about the issue.

Over and over again, issue after issue, day after day.

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by ols »

ols wrote: post #76
gostsamo wrote: post #66

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No, much smaller. I would agree that the EU's foreign policy is a disaster because of traditionally corrupted elites. The fact that the russian elites are even more corrupted is not an excuse.

EU doesn’t have a joint foregin policy. Foregin relations is still an intergovernmental matter.

„The Common Foreign and Security Policy […] deals only with a specific part of the EU's external relations, which domains include mainly Trade and Commercial Policy and other areas such as funding to third countries, etc”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Foreign_and_Security_Po...

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by kijin »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #61
cblconfederate wrote: post #38

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buy the "No kidnapping" package for an extra cost of $169.99/person

There are companies that would insure you if you needed it, but I'm guessing this may not apply to a state-sanctioned kidnapping.

Depends on the state and how much you're willing to pay.

Tier 3, extraction by mercenaries -- pay more for extra comfy helicopter. Tier 2, extraction by bribery. Tier 1, your captor will be overthrown in a coup backed by a foreign government. Not applicable if your captor is one of the following states: blah blah blah.

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by morelisp »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #50
mrweasel wrote: post #32

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>This will likely have no consequences to the regime in Belarus That's the problem with sanctions, at some point you run of of things to take away. From then on your target can pretty much do what ever they want, knowing that things can't really get any worse.

Current sanctions on Belarus are somewhere between light and negligible. There are a lot more things that could be taken away.

Expanding the sanctions to affect the entire country / citizenry has the side-effect of pushing populism there even closer to Russia, materially and emotionally, without having much effect on the actual bad actors beyond what the current sanctions do.

Traditionally a next step would be political, then material, support for an organized internal opposition, but there doesn't seem to be an obvious one in this case.

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by kofejnik »

thinkingemote wrote: post #43
ceejayoz wrote: post #39

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How will you know if the answer to this is honest or censored, though?

For the Chinese you can tell when they cannot even refer to, say or admit certain things: e.g. massacres. But they would say "we are not being censored" For China and Russia, etc, it feels as if by mocking the hypocrisy of the West they are naively assuming that there's no such criticism from within the West. I think this is revealing but I might be wrong.

> For the Chinese you can tell when they cannot even refer to, say or admit certain things: e.g. massacres. But they would say "we are not being censored"

It is exactly the same in Russia, you may not mention certain historical facts at all, e.g. Germany-USSR cooperation during 1939-1941

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