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Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by toyg »

csomar wrote: post #67
erentz wrote: post #40

It’s odd to me that the Ryanair flight yesterday was already closer to its destination of Vilnius than Minsk when it turned around. Ryanair said that the crew had been "notified by Belarus (Air Traffic Control) of a potential security threat on board and were instructed to divert to the nearest airport, Minsk". So they didn’t have an incident onboard? There were no hijackers claiming to have a bomb? Just ATC telling…

They sent a fighter jet. I don't think the pilot had much of a choice.

Yeah, this. No civil-aviation pilot is going to argue the fine points of law while in target range of an armed MiG.

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by nemetroid »

iso1631 wrote: post #12

But Ryanair havent https://www.flightradar24.com/RYR7BJ/27cf72bf FR3340 flying from Pafos, Cyprus to Tallin, Estonia, is about to cross from Ukraine into Belarus airspace A route avoiding Belarus would have added at 56 miles to the 1740 mile journey, about 3%. http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=pfo-tll,pfo-EPBP-tll

Aircraft don't fly in straight lines in Europe, though. A 100 (nautical) mile difference is more realistic. Still, a tiny detour compared to the Wizzair flight linked elsewhere.

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by [deleted] »

motives wrote: post #15
dekoruotas wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has also been set in motion: https://i.redd.it/elts5rgbg0171.jpg

Worth noting that the EU has banned entire nations (such as Kazakhstan and others) from flying in EU airspace before for not meeting safety expectations. It is absolutely within possibility to ban Belarus for an overt Chicago convention violation.

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Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by tsimionescu »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #56
V-2 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well - they obviously had enough fuel to simply fly back to Russia if Snowden were actually on board. I'm not saying I support that action - I'm only pointing out these two incidents aren't quite in the same category.

It's also possible to disagree with both actions, which handily destroys the "But you did it first" attempted defence.

I don't the think the thread was about defending Lukashenko's terrorist act, it was about reminding everyone that, shamefully, such acts are not limited to demented regimes like his.

We are all right to be outraged by what happened in Belarus. We should also be even more outraged when our own governments,which we nominally have some control over, do similar things.

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by redleader55 »

intricatedetail wrote: post #54

Nothing material is going happen as Germany needs that gas pipe. It's obvious from the news that this hijack was done together with Russia.

Germany insistence on closing nuclear power plants is doing Europe a lot of harm. It opens up one of the great powers of Europe to be controlled by Russia.

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by ols »

gostsamo wrote: post #66
heavenlyblue wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the probability of this account being owned by Russian government? I would say 99% and you’re just perpetuating the same propaganda.

No, much smaller. I would agree that the EU's foreign policy is a disaster because of traditionally corrupted elites. The fact that the russian elites are even more corrupted is not an excuse.

EU doesn’t have a joint foregin policy. Foregin relations is still an intergovernmental matter.

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by tsimionescu »

5cents wrote: post #18
sneak wrote: post #14

And, yet, we didn’t do this to Austria (or any of the other countries in Europe that cancelled use of the airspace) when the plane suspected to be carrying Snowden (but wasn’t, and was actually carrying a head of state) was forced down in Vienna based on a phone call from the US, to be swatted upon landing. Only the “bad guys” are terrorists when they do this. The double standard here in the west is astounding. The p…

This claim is repeated again and again; yet the circumstances and the actual event (there was no forcing down) were very different; see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27256946

How would the plane have gotten back to Russia from Austria, even if it did have enough fuel (according to the Wikipedia article, that was not clear to the crew)?

Why do you think Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, even Ukraine would not have similarly refused access if the crew had not landed in Austria of their own will?

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by clon »

andrewshadura wrote: post #70
clon wrote: post #53

Seems Ryanair has not learned much though. PFO-->TLL RYR7BJ is traversing Batka's personal airspace as I write this comment.

Please don't use the word batka to refer to Lukashenko. The word means father, and it was originally used to mock Belarusian for supposedly liking his approach to ruling the country. He's no father to any of us, and it's insulting to Belarusians to see someone referring to him this way.

Your comment is pertinent, so I won't change mine. Apologies.

In my country the word is frequently used to carry sarcasm towards the role that Lukashenko believes himself to have. In other words, it is meant as sarcasm towards the tyrant's ego, not the gullibility of the nation.

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by stapled_socks »

maratc wrote: post #8

This will likely have no consequences to the regime in Belarus, while increasing costs to these Baltic airlines. A policy that might achieve something would be if the Baltic states, together with Poland and Ukraine, would close their airspace to Belavia planes, until the detained passenger is delivered to his destination in Vilnius. This will increase costs to Belarusian airlines, which would be a problem to the regi…

I don't think passenger airline companies have the authority to close the airspace of a country. That would have to be a political decision.

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by trhway »

andrewshadura wrote: post #70
clon wrote: post #53

Seems Ryanair has not learned much though. PFO-->TLL RYR7BJ is traversing Batka's personal airspace as I write this comment.

Please don't use the word batka to refer to Lukashenko. The word means father, and it was originally used to mock Belarusian for supposedly liking his approach to ruling the country. He's no father to any of us, and it's insulting to Belarusians to see someone referring to him this way.

i think you are mistaken here. Bat'ka in this context is more like Bat'ka Mahno, ie. a leader outside of formal rules and leading more by personal power like a leader of a gang or a rebellion (or for example in Belarussian context - "Bat'ka Minay", a commander in WWII Belarussian guerilla resistance https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A8%D0%BC%D1%8B%D1%80%D1%91...).

> it was originally used to mock Belarusian for supposedly liking his approach to ruling the country.

not even close. It has always been used in the "leader" meaning described above.

>He's no father to any of us, and it's insulting to Belarusians to see someone referring to him this way.

as nobody uses it as "father" in this context it is hard to see your point.

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