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Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by thinkingemote »

golergka wrote: post #28
dekoruotas wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has also been set in motion: https://i.redd.it/elts5rgbg0171.jpg

European diplomats being "strongly concerned" have long become a running joke here in Russia: https://twitter.com/ISEUConcerned I sincerely hope that this statement finally gets backed up by some decisive action that can put real pressure on these dictators, but I don't get my hopes up.

I know that people can joke about the west in Russia but are people allowed to make jokes about their own government in Russia and in the associated eastern european states?

Is it like China yet? I'm guessing not as there's no visible list of banned words and phrases, but we don't see (in HN) much criticism of Russia, Belarus from there, just attacks on the hypocrisy of the West.

Do you see it headed towards China, where no internal criticism is allowed?

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by mrweasel »

maratc wrote: post #8

This will likely have no consequences to the regime in Belarus, while increasing costs to these Baltic airlines. A policy that might achieve something would be if the Baltic states, together with Poland and Ukraine, would close their airspace to Belavia planes, until the detained passenger is delivered to his destination in Vilnius. This will increase costs to Belarusian airlines, which would be a problem to the regi…

>This will likely have no consequences to the regime in Belarus

That's the problem with sanctions, at some point you run of of things to take away. From then on your target can pretty much do what ever they want, knowing that things can't really get any worse.

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by enriquto »

sneak wrote: post #14

And, yet, we didn’t do this to Austria (or any of the other countries in Europe that cancelled use of the airspace) when the plane suspected to be carrying Snowden (but wasn’t, and was actually carrying a head of state) was forced down in Vienna based on a phone call from the US, to be swatted upon landing. Only the “bad guys” are terrorists when they do this. The double standard here in the west is astounding. The p…

> And, yet, we didn’t do this to Austria (or any of the other countries in Europe that cancelled use of the airspace)

France and Spain, notably. It was a disgusting violation.

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by proxysna »

arodyginc wrote: post #26
proxysna wrote: post #16

This affects me directly since i am working outside of Belarus now and rely on air travel to visit my family, still this feels like the only reasonable answer to KGB messing with airlines. I am expecting that most planes to Belarus, from EU are going to be cancelled and people will have to reroute their travel through Moscow. In general it is terrifying how far my country went down the path of turning into another Tu…

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Yeah sure, state funded terrorism does not affect you until it does

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by cookguyruffles »

iso1631 wrote: post #12

But Ryanair havent https://www.flightradar24.com/RYR7BJ/27cf72bf FR3340 flying from Pafos, Cyprus to Tallin, Estonia, is about to cross from Ukraine into Belarus airspace A route avoiding Belarus would have added at 56 miles to the 1740 mile journey, about 3%. http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=pfo-tll,pfo-EPBP-tll

Adding an extra 50 yards to any single Ryanair flight would likely bankrupt the company

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by cblconfederate »

golergka wrote: post #28
dekoruotas wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has also been set in motion: https://i.redd.it/elts5rgbg0171.jpg

European diplomats being "strongly concerned" have long become a running joke here in Russia: https://twitter.com/ISEUConcerned I sincerely hope that this statement finally gets backed up by some decisive action that can put real pressure on these dictators, but I don't get my hopes up.

That's because EU is too expanded to be able to reach consensus. Individual countries are taking action however

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by cblconfederate »

iso1631 wrote: post #12

But Ryanair havent https://www.flightradar24.com/RYR7BJ/27cf72bf FR3340 flying from Pafos, Cyprus to Tallin, Estonia, is about to cross from Ukraine into Belarus airspace A route avoiding Belarus would have added at 56 miles to the 1740 mile journey, about 3%. http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=pfo-tll,pfo-EPBP-tll

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Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by ceejayoz »

thinkingemote wrote: post #31
golergka wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

European diplomats being "strongly concerned" have long become a running joke here in Russia: https://twitter.com/ISEUConcerned I sincerely hope that this statement finally gets backed up by some decisive action that can put real pressure on these dictators, but I don't get my hopes up.

I know that people can joke about the west in Russia but are people allowed to make jokes about their own government in Russia and in the associated eastern european states? Is it like China yet? I'm guessing not as there's no visible list of banned words and phrases, but we don't see (in HN) much criticism of Russia, Belarus from there, just attacks on the hypocrisy of the West. Do you see it headed towards China, w…

How will you know if the answer to this is honest or censored, though?

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by erentz »

It’s odd to me that the Ryanair flight yesterday was already closer to its destination of Vilnius than Minsk when it turned around.

Ryanair said that the crew had been "notified by Belarus (Air Traffic Control) of a potential security threat on board and were instructed to divert to the nearest airport, Minsk".

So they didn’t have an incident onboard? There were no hijackers claiming to have a bomb? Just ATC telling them they have a bomb on board? And instead of landing at the nearest airport of Vilnius they turned to take a longer, more indirect route to a further away airport of Minsk?

This would seem obviously suspicious to me. If you have a bomb on board, wouldn’t you want to go to the nearest airport, not the one further away? Wouldn’t you ask why you are being redirected further away? Then wouldn’t the response when you point out you’re closer to Vilnius and for safety want to land there make it clear to you something fishy was up? I would love to hear the radio communications and any communications back to Ryanair operations on this one.

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