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Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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Post by hpaavola »

maccard wrote: post #64
hpaavola wrote: post #52

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Epic is free to sue who ever they whish. That means nothing. The argument was that 3rd party app stores would somehow affect apples appstore quality. That's false. If apple would allow installing apps from unknown sources and just give ugly warnings then, thus letting 3rd party appstores on ios, it would have no effect on qpple appstore content.

Do you think the existence of the epic store on wjncows has had an effect on the content of steam? A really good example right now is riot. They distribute through their own launcher on PC rather than on steam. They have two sizeable games on mobile right now (wild rift and TFT). In a world where these are downloadable from the riot launcher on iOS rather than the app store, it seems likely riot (and other major publ…

Instead of trying to compare to other totally different products, do the comparison to Android. Has any 3rd party appstore affected play store in any way? No. Start your argument from that fact.

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Post by AwaAwa »

The AOL walled garden approach that befits the company, and the users who can't deal with 'choice'. Decide for me what is best please!

It won't last, but by golly has it been successful. No wonder, history is replete with examples of this. Only difference is that as money continues to devalue, the nominal financial heights seem ever higher.

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Post by calsy »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #61
deergomoo wrote: post #58

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The problem with this view is it assumes developers need the iPhone more than the iPhone needs developers, which is absolutely not the case. It’s symbiotic certainly—for better or worse far more money is spent on iOS than Android—but without apps the iPhone would be basically useless. In my opinion, Apple needs to acknowledge that, rather than acting like developers owe them the shirt off their backs.

Each developer needs apple more than Apple needs each developer. Developers need to ally with each other, then they can force Apple’s hands. What’s funny is that developers are practically in the best job to do that. Their jobs allow them tons of time to communicate with each other, they’re highly educated and able to communicate, and they have the know how to operate the mechanisms allowing them to communicate (foru…

Developers have no leverage because there are no alternatives. What can they do, take their apps and leave the store?

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Post by hboon »

wayneftw wrote: post #59
jrsj wrote: post #39

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Because my grandma is clueless and I give her an iPhone so she doesn’t install malware like she managed to on her Android phone

And Apple protecting her from that is the only solution? I don't think so... With just a tiny bit of imagination I'm sure we can come up with something which will work. Here's an idea: Let Apple sell Apple-locked and unlocked iPhones. It can work just like carrier locking. Buy one unlocked, maybe pay a little extra, and you can have 3rd party app stores. That took me a minute to come up with. I am absolutely positive…

I know you mean well. But it’s ironic that with the first iPhones, Apple was combating the tight gripe of carriers, especially in the US on consumer control.

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Post by duped »

deergomoo wrote: post #28
wccrawford wrote: post #4

Other news on this has quotes from Tim Cook saying that they'd have to find a way to track purchases on IOS and bill developers so that Apple still gets their cut when using other payment processors. For me, this is way over the line. If they want to charge developers to be on their store, fine. I don't have a problem with that. And charging for using them as a payment processor makes sense. Charging for using Apple…

> If a developer isn't using that infrastructure, they don't owe anything I’ve been following this case and the only thing I can conclude is that their executives genuinely believe that Apple is responsible for all commerce that happens on an iPhone. It’s bordering on delusion. Without third party developers the iPhone would be nothing by now.

I don't think they believe that so much they believe they can skim off the top of certain areas of commerce on iOS. If they did it with bank transactions, Apple Pay, Venmo, Robinhood, etc then people would be up in arms.

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Post by SheinhardtWigCo »

newsclues wrote: post #42
deergomoo wrote: post #28

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> If a developer isn't using that infrastructure, they don't owe anything I’ve been following this case and the only thing I can conclude is that their executives genuinely believe that Apple is responsible for all commerce that happens on an iPhone. It’s bordering on delusion. Without third party developers the iPhone would be nothing by now.

Apple doesn’t take a cut of transactions I make in my iPhones browser.

This is why Apple holds back important APIs from their browser, years after they are available in other browsers: fast 3D graphics, offline storage and compute, push notifications, to name a few.

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Post by adflux »

calsy wrote: post #73
lotsofpulp wrote: post #61

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Each developer needs apple more than Apple needs each developer. Developers need to ally with each other, then they can force Apple’s hands. What’s funny is that developers are practically in the best job to do that. Their jobs allow them tons of time to communicate with each other, they’re highly educated and able to communicate, and they have the know how to operate the mechanisms allowing them to communicate (foru…

Developers have no leverage because there are no alternatives. What can they do, take their apps and leave the store?

Do you think the same about paying taxes?

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Post by doikor »

newsclues wrote: post #42
deergomoo wrote: post #28

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> If a developer isn't using that infrastructure, they don't owe anything I’ve been following this case and the only thing I can conclude is that their executives genuinely believe that Apple is responsible for all commerce that happens on an iPhone. It’s bordering on delusion. Without third party developers the iPhone would be nothing by now.

Apple doesn’t take a cut of transactions I make in my iPhones browser.

And for how long would Safari on iOS keep up with new features or not get its performance nuked if for example games started to move into browser apps in major numbers on iOS. Apple itself said in the trial that games pretty much subsidize all other apps in terms of the money Apple makes out of the App Store.

iOS Safari already lags behind in features. Apple would just make it even worse if it started to cost them significant amount of money to have a truly great web browser.

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Post by dannyw »

duped wrote: post #75
deergomoo wrote: post #28

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> If a developer isn't using that infrastructure, they don't owe anything I’ve been following this case and the only thing I can conclude is that their executives genuinely believe that Apple is responsible for all commerce that happens on an iPhone. It’s bordering on delusion. Without third party developers the iPhone would be nothing by now.

I don't think they believe that so much they believe they can skim off the top of certain areas of commerce on iOS. If they did it with bank transactions, Apple Pay, Venmo, Robinhood, etc then people would be up in arms.

Divide and conquer. It's gaming and software apps now. It'll be bank transactions and commerce later on.

A 1% "Apple Platform Safety Fee" on Robinhood wouldn't surprise me....

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