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Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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Why not give customers the choice to run other app stores? Imagine if all the software on your laptop must be downloaded from the windows store..

Because my grandma is clueless and I give her an iPhone so she doesn’t install malware like she managed to on her Android phone

Could the guest mode on android or enterprise/fleet thingy be used to achieve that (preventing user from installing malware) ?

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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Exactly what's blocking apple from using same kinda warning? So no, it wont happen.

Good thing epic aren't suing google at the same time for the exact reason we're discussing right here then isn't it?

Epic is free to sue who ever they whish. That means nothing. The argument was that 3rd party app stores would somehow affect apples appstore quality. That's false. If apple would allow installing apps from unknown sources and just give ugly warnings then, thus letting 3rd party appstores on ios, it would have no effect on qpple appstore content.

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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> If a developer isn't using that infrastructure, they don't owe anything I’ve been following this case and the only thing I can conclude is that their executives genuinely believe that Apple is responsible for all commerce that happens on an iPhone. It’s bordering on delusion. Without third party developers the iPhone would be nothing by now.

Apple doesn’t take a cut of transactions I make in my iPhones browser.

Exactly, which is what makes their argument so flimsy.

Sure sometimes apps get promotion and featured by the store but for the vast majority of apps, any downloads they get have about as much to do with Apple as the results of your web searches do.

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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Why not give customers the choice to run other app stores? Imagine if all the software on your laptop must be downloaded from the windows store..

Sometimes less freedom is a good thing. It frees the customer's mind to let an organization they trust make the tedious product evaluations for you. We do it all the time with retail shopping where we enjoy the curated decisions of the shop's owner instead of a giant bazaar.

They curate their stores to draw in customers, placing popular items up front and usually having SALE signs up. Why? because it is an extremely competitive environment.

The store owners pay rent, they are not obliged to give a 30% commission on purchases to the company who owns the shopping centre and they are not forced to use the shopping centres chosen payment service to make sure they collect on commissions.

Less freedom is not a good thing. Nothing is being taken away from you when you provide other options, quite the opposite.

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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Why not give customers the choice to run other app stores? Imagine if all the software on your laptop must be downloaded from the windows store..

Because my grandma is clueless and I give her an iPhone so she doesn’t install malware like she managed to on her Android phone

It's weird that a clueless person was able to download and install a malware apk when by default Android forces you to go to your settings and allow apps to install other apps (the behaviour has changed over the years, but you always need to do something). Not to mention that Google Play Protect scans your apps and warns you if it finds something sketchy.

In any case and as much as I like my own clueless grandma, I don't think my Android phone should only allow me to use the play store or that windows/macos/linux should stop me from installing Steam just because she's clueless about tech.

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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> Cook used more privacy and safety claims to defend that system, saying it would be both insecure and inconvenient to let apps process payments separately

This one is always funny to me, because sellers of physical goods are of course totally exempt from IAP rules, because it would be untenable otherwise.

I can type my card number directly into the Amazon app and buy a paperback without any intervention from Apple.

And yet it’s apparently insecure for me to buy a Kindle book with the exact same mechanism in the exact same app? Get the fuck out of here.

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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"I hope multiple App Stores don’t become a thing on iOS. The reason I like iPhone is that I am assured that apps I download from App Store are not shit and curated by Apple." Then dont install those other app stores and only rely on apples curated list, if other app stores ever become a thing on ios.

The counter-argument runs like this: Third party developers want to get their apps onto the iPhone, because the platform has a lot of users, and there's a lot of money to be made. However, they will be forced to play by Apple's rules, which (according to the argument) is good for the customer, as the custodian of the platform has a vested interest in keeping them happy. Now, if 3rd party stores were allowed, Apple's…

Counter-argument to what? As Android shows, allowing 3rd party appstores has 0 effect on the main appstore offering.

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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Other news on this has quotes from Tim Cook saying that they'd have to find a way to track purchases on IOS and bill developers so that Apple still gets their cut when using other payment processors. For me, this is way over the line. If they want to charge developers to be on their store, fine. I don't have a problem with that. And charging for using them as a payment processor makes sense. Charging for using Apple…

Charging people to make use of their IP is fair IMO. Its similar to paying taxes, even if you don't use the services the taxes are for. The user benefits from Apple maintaining their OS, so has to pay. A citizen paying taxes benefits from all the services the country offers, so he pays taxes.

The problem with this view is it assumes developers need the iPhone more than the iPhone needs developers, which is absolutely not the case. It’s symbiotic certainly—for better or worse far more money is spent on iOS than Android—but without apps the iPhone would be basically useless.

In my opinion, Apple needs to acknowledge that, rather than acting like developers owe them the shirt off their backs.

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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Why not give customers the choice to run other app stores? Imagine if all the software on your laptop must be downloaded from the windows store..

Because my grandma is clueless and I give her an iPhone so she doesn’t install malware like she managed to on her Android phone

And Apple protecting her from that is the only solution? I don't think so...

With just a tiny bit of imagination I'm sure we can come up with something which will work. Here's an idea: Let Apple sell Apple-locked and unlocked iPhones. It can work just like carrier locking. Buy one unlocked, maybe pay a little extra, and you can have 3rd party app stores.

That took me a minute to come up with. I am absolutely positive that there are many other degrees of options between full-control by Apple and full-control by End-user.

I get it though... people who like Apple aren't very appreciative of having options.

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How do you explain that the majority of apps are contaminated by spyware like the Facebook SDK and dozens of other equivalents? (which for the record is in breach of the GDPR and Apple could be considered complicit if they allow this while at the same time requiring all apps to comply with local laws and has removed apps who break or could be used to break the law before) How do you explain scam apps that deliberatel…

Have you looked at Google play store, in comparison? Apple is still doing 100x better job. 100% cleanliness is utopia but I will take an App Store that weeds out lot of contaminated apps than every other app being contaminated in some sort of way.

Is someone taking the App Store from you? Does adding alternative options somehow corrupt the original App Store?
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