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Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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Post by maccard »

hpaavola wrote: post #12
akg_67 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope multiple App Stores don’t become a thing on iOS. The reason I like iPhone is that I am assured that apps I download from App Store are not shit and curated by Apple. Apple has vested interest to keep apps made available to be clean and not going to compromise iPhone. Android play store, in comparison, is full of crap and free for all, basically buyer (or downloader) beware. Phone is used by too broad of user g…

"I hope multiple App Stores don’t become a thing on iOS. The reason I like iPhone is that I am assured that apps I download from App Store are not shit and curated by Apple." Then dont install those other app stores and only rely on apples curated list, if other app stores ever become a thing on ios.

The reality of what ends up happening is you end up with an app store per publisher, and needing to manage your payment details with each one individually, and deal with each stores handling of your data. I don't want to install the NYT store to download the nyt cooking app so they can take a bigger cut on their subscription. The reason this hasn't happened on Android is because you get a scary warning when you install apps from other sources.

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

#42

Post by newsclues »

deergomoo wrote: post #28
wccrawford wrote: post #4

Other news on this has quotes from Tim Cook saying that they'd have to find a way to track purchases on IOS and bill developers so that Apple still gets their cut when using other payment processors. For me, this is way over the line. If they want to charge developers to be on their store, fine. I don't have a problem with that. And charging for using them as a payment processor makes sense. Charging for using Apple…

> If a developer isn't using that infrastructure, they don't owe anything I’ve been following this case and the only thing I can conclude is that their executives genuinely believe that Apple is responsible for all commerce that happens on an iPhone. It’s bordering on delusion. Without third party developers the iPhone would be nothing by now.

Apple doesn’t take a cut of transactions I make in my iPhones browser.

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

#43

Post by hpaavola »

maccard wrote: post #41
hpaavola wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I hope multiple App Stores don’t become a thing on iOS. The reason I like iPhone is that I am assured that apps I download from App Store are not shit and curated by Apple." Then dont install those other app stores and only rely on apples curated list, if other app stores ever become a thing on ios.

The reality of what ends up happening is you end up with an app store per publisher, and needing to manage your payment details with each one individually, and deal with each stores handling of your data. I don't want to install the NYT store to download the nyt cooking app so they can take a bigger cut on their subscription. The reason this hasn't happened on Android is because you get a scary warning when you insta…

Exactly what's blocking apple from using same kinda warning? So no, it wont happen.

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

#44

Post by Hamuko »

newsclues wrote: post #42
deergomoo wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If a developer isn't using that infrastructure, they don't owe anything I’ve been following this case and the only thing I can conclude is that their executives genuinely believe that Apple is responsible for all commerce that happens on an iPhone. It’s bordering on delusion. Without third party developers the iPhone would be nothing by now.

Apple doesn’t take a cut of transactions I make in my iPhones browser.

They do actually get a cut if you pay with Apple Pay.

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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Post by cygx »

hpaavola wrote: post #12
akg_67 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope multiple App Stores don’t become a thing on iOS. The reason I like iPhone is that I am assured that apps I download from App Store are not shit and curated by Apple. Apple has vested interest to keep apps made available to be clean and not going to compromise iPhone. Android play store, in comparison, is full of crap and free for all, basically buyer (or downloader) beware. Phone is used by too broad of user g…

"I hope multiple App Stores don’t become a thing on iOS. The reason I like iPhone is that I am assured that apps I download from App Store are not shit and curated by Apple." Then dont install those other app stores and only rely on apples curated list, if other app stores ever become a thing on ios.

The counter-argument runs like this:

Third party developers want to get their apps onto the iPhone, because the platform has a lot of users, and there's a lot of money to be made. However, they will be forced to play by Apple's rules, which (according to the argument) is good for the customer, as the custodian of the platform has a vested interest in keeping them happy.

Now, if 3rd party stores were allowed, Apple's bargaining power which allowed them to force 3rd parties to respect the user's interest would go away, allowing developers to deliver a worse (eg privacy-violating) product.

Users who do not like this deal are free to go with an Android device instead of an iPhone. The popularity of the latter might suggest that quite a few people are reasonably happy with the status quo.

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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Post by maccard »

hpaavola wrote: post #23
hpaavola wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I hope multiple App Stores don’t become a thing on iOS. The reason I like iPhone is that I am assured that apps I download from App Store are not shit and curated by Apple." Then dont install those other app stores and only rely on apples curated list, if other app stores ever become a thing on ios.

vbezhenar, for some reason there is no reply link visible in your commenr, so have to reply like this. "It'll end up similarly to macOS AppStore. Developers will avoid it, so user will be forced to use other stores to make his phone useful." So, kinda like on Androi... No, wait. It wont. Other stores will be in the margins likd on Android.

Have you seen the prompt you get when you install an app outside the play store, (and even worse give it permission to install other apps)?

Epic have made instructions on how to do it [0], it's a four step process to be able to install the game that involves changing two system default settings that both warn you not to do what you're about to do.

[0] https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/en-US/mobile/android/new-...

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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Post by dmitriid »

cuu508 wrote: post #27
austincheney wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I somehow imagine that is a less realistic an expectation.

Why? Are you tied to Apple and unable to leave? I don't buy Apple devices, and so am not affected by their restrictions.

Yes, I'm tied to Apple and unable to leave.

Even if for the simple reason that I find other OSes and devices that run them shit in comparison.

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

#48

Post by maccard »

hpaavola wrote: post #43
maccard wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reality of what ends up happening is you end up with an app store per publisher, and needing to manage your payment details with each one individually, and deal with each stores handling of your data. I don't want to install the NYT store to download the nyt cooking app so they can take a bigger cut on their subscription. The reason this hasn't happened on Android is because you get a scary warning when you insta…

Exactly what's blocking apple from using same kinda warning? So no, it wont happen.

Good thing epic aren't suing google at the same time for the exact reason we're discussing right here then isn't it?

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

#49

Post by hpaavola »

maccard wrote: post #46
hpaavola wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

vbezhenar, for some reason there is no reply link visible in your commenr, so have to reply like this. "It'll end up similarly to macOS AppStore. Developers will avoid it, so user will be forced to use other stores to make his phone useful." So, kinda like on Androi... No, wait. It wont. Other stores will be in the margins likd on Android.

Have you seen the prompt you get when you install an app outside the play store, (and even worse give it permission to install other apps)? Epic have made instructions on how to do it [0], it's a four step process to be able to install the game that involves changing two system default settings that both warn you not to do what you're about to do. [0] https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/en-US/mobile/android/new-...

I'm happy F-Droid user, so yes, i know the process.

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

#50

Post by lotsofpulp »

Hamuko wrote: post #44
newsclues wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple doesn’t take a cut of transactions I make in my iPhones browser.

They do actually get a cut if you pay with Apple Pay.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204274

>Are there additional fees to accept Apple Pay?

>No. Apple doesn't charge any additional fees.

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