Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams • Hacker News Board

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by derefr » Sat, May 22, 2021, 1:03 AM UTC

chevill wrote: post #150

Traster wrote: post #33

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They don't want to be a porn site. The problem they have is that the porn content drives away advertisers and non-porn related contant. So they have to steer away from porn, but wherever they draw the line there are going to be people testing the line, and there's an audience for it. So the compromise they've clearly come up with is they don't allow porn, but if you happen to be sexy wearing practically nothing, that…

What's funny is that they insist on pretending that these streamers aren't trying to sexualize themselves. The streamer that caused this blog to be written basically uses her twitch channel as a front to sell her nudes on another site. If people want to sexualize themselves for money that's their business, the problem is they keep trying to find loopholes in the conduct policy to transform a site about videogames tha…

> The streamer that caused this blog to be written basically uses her twitch channel as a front to sell her nudes on another site.

As long as the content on Twitch isn't sexual, I don't think it matters to Twitch (or advertisers) if it's serving as lead-gen for something that is sexual. Content produced as lead-gen can be valuable for its own sake.

(See also: every YouTuber who provides some professional service for a living, and films themselves doing that service as a way to make people interested in employing them, such that their channel doubles as a professional portfolio of their work.)

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by cratermoon » Sat, May 22, 2021, 1:04 AM UTC

dna_polymerase wrote: post #107

belval wrote: post #53

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There is not enough money in it for Amazon to start ramping up in pornographic material. The chances of brand degradation, possible boycotts due to women looking young/revenge porn is much much too high to be worth it.

They are talking about moving the existing lewd stuff out onto a new platform, not starting a PornHub alternative. There is obviously enough in it for Amazon, otherwise they would just ban the pools outright.

In December 2019, Gfycat started redgifs.com for adult content. Tumblr banned adult content. FOSTA/SESTA creeps up.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by derefr » Sat, May 22, 2021, 1:05 AM UTC

belval wrote: post #53

wvenable wrote: post #42

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Seems like there's an opportunity to just split the site, create a new brand for adult content, and send that content over to that brand.

There is not enough money in it for Amazon to start ramping up in pornographic material. The chances of brand degradation, possible boycotts due to women looking young/revenge porn is much much too high to be worth it.

Amazon already is in the pornographic-streaming market, just at a remove.

Who do you think the biggest customers of AWS's media-streaming IaaS infrastructure offerings are? People who need to move terabytes per second of live video over the Internet, but for some reason cannot make an Enterprise partnership with one of the public-facing media-hosting services (e.g. YouTube, Hulu, etc.) There's really only one industry matching that description.

I'd even bet that those infrastructure services already share a common backbone with Twitch. So this offering already basically exists. It's just white-labelled, rather than Twitch-branded.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by parsimo2010 » Sat, May 22, 2021, 1:11 AM UTC

LegitShady wrote: post #169

parsimo2010 wrote: post #9

They claim that they only prohibit things that are intentionally suggestive, but every streamer is afraid to accidentally show their feet because they get a ban. Twitch has inconsistencies in the way they apply their policies, and they sometimes don’t even tell a streamer why they got a ban. Creating a beach and hot tub category is the least of their worries. But at least it makes it easier for me to intentionally fi…

>. But at least it makes it easier for me to intentionally find attractive women in swimsuits who are streaming their sexiness unintentionally, ...do you honestly think it's unintentional? The issue is twitch are open hypocrites. They take a cut of money people 'donate' to these sexually suggestive streamers. They don't need the advertisers on those streams because the money is already coming in from the viewers. The…

No, that was the internet failing to convey my sarcasm. Twitch just said, “hey folks, hot tub streams aren’t sidestepping the rules, so here’s a special category to make it easier for you to not sidestep the rules, wink wink.”

They ought to just enable explicit content and put in decent parental controls rather than this B.S. Advertisers might actually prefer having a clearly defined explicit content tag, rather than risking their ads running next to soft-explicit streams.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by chevill » Sat, May 22, 2021, 1:18 AM UTC

derefr wrote: post #181

chevill wrote: post #150

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What's funny is that they insist on pretending that these streamers aren't trying to sexualize themselves. The streamer that caused this blog to be written basically uses her twitch channel as a front to sell her nudes on another site. If people want to sexualize themselves for money that's their business, the problem is they keep trying to find loopholes in the conduct policy to transform a site about videogames tha…

> The streamer that caused this blog to be written basically uses her twitch channel as a front to sell her nudes on another site. As long as the content on Twitch isn't sexual, I don't think it matters to Twitch (or advertisers) if it's serving as lead-gen for something that is sexual. Content produced as lead-gen can be valuable for its own sake. (See also: every YouTuber who provides some professional service for…

>As long as the content on Twitch isn't sexual,

It is though and that's why ads were banned and that's why Twitch wrote this blog post. There's no nudity, but the entire point of her stream is for her to show off her body in exchange for money.

>(See also: every YouTuber who provides some professional service for a living, and films themselves doing that service as a way to make people interested in employing them, such that their channel doubles as a professional portfolio of their work.)

This is valid thing for people in many professions, but Onlyfans and patreon are used as a kind of a loophole for Twitch's policy on pornography. There are also some former/current adult film actresses that did/do actual hardcore pornography for a living and they aren't allowed to shill pornhub on their channel page because it violates terms of service. Some of them keep their clothes on because they go to twitch to make non-sexual content and don't even want anyone hinting that they are aware of their background in adult film, but some of them are indeed on twitch because its just another outlet for them to sell sexualized content.

Also a reminder that I'm not judging people that want to sell sexualized content of themselves. There are communities for that. If show HN was 90% muscley dudes in g strings writing things about their latest tech project on their inner thighs it would diminish the quality of the community as a whole. There are lots of people that are OK with porn existing that don't want the primary places they hang out on the Internet to become known as places where people go primarily to masturbate.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by idiotsecant » Sat, May 22, 2021, 1:20 AM UTC

Siira wrote: post #156

chevill wrote: post #150

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What's funny is that they insist on pretending that these streamers aren't trying to sexualize themselves. The streamer that caused this blog to be written basically uses her twitch channel as a front to sell her nudes on another site. If people want to sexualize themselves for money that's their business, the problem is they keep trying to find loopholes in the conduct policy to transform a site about videogames tha…

Has there been any good meta analyses on the effects of suggestive content on children? My prior is that seeing sex was common enough in the ancestral environment, both human and animal sex, and children won’t be much effected from this content floating around.

The difference is that hot tub twitch isn't an actual interaction between two people, its a dopamine feedback loop that warps an un-jaded mind into thinking it's reality.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by breakfastduck » Sat, May 22, 2021, 1:23 AM UTC

Siira wrote: post #156

chevill wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's funny is that they insist on pretending that these streamers aren't trying to sexualize themselves. The streamer that caused this blog to be written basically uses her twitch channel as a front to sell her nudes on another site. If people want to sexualize themselves for money that's their business, the problem is they keep trying to find loopholes in the conduct policy to transform a site about videogames tha…

Has there been any good meta analyses on the effects of suggestive content on children? My prior is that seeing sex was common enough in the ancestral environment, both human and animal sex, and children won’t be much effected from this content floating around.

24/7 available video streams available on any internet connected device is not comparable to real life authentic chance encounters.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by ohhelloxoxo » Sat, May 22, 2021, 1:31 AM UTC

derefr wrote: post #181

chevill wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's funny is that they insist on pretending that these streamers aren't trying to sexualize themselves. The streamer that caused this blog to be written basically uses her twitch channel as a front to sell her nudes on another site. If people want to sexualize themselves for money that's their business, the problem is they keep trying to find loopholes in the conduct policy to transform a site about videogames tha…

> The streamer that caused this blog to be written basically uses her twitch channel as a front to sell her nudes on another site. As long as the content on Twitch isn't sexual, I don't think it matters to Twitch (or advertisers) if it's serving as lead-gen for something that is sexual. Content produced as lead-gen can be valuable for its own sake. (See also: every YouTuber who provides some professional service for…

Twitch's TOS bans 'solicitation' of sexually explicit content, and from a quick anecdotal sampling of streamers in this category 8/10 of them have direct links to or aggregate link pages to OnlyFans profiles where they do sell explicit content. Guess it depends on your definition of 'solicitation'?

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by krono » Sat, May 22, 2021, 1:48 AM UTC

tibbydudeza wrote: post #129

jedberg wrote: post #36

I never used Twitch before the pandemic -- watching people play games was never really my thing. But then I discovered the entire second use of Twitch, streaming music. Since March 2020, it's been possible to find someone streaming music at pretty much any time of day. One day I was watching around 2am Pacific time, and the stream ended. I was looking for another one when I saw someone in the music category with 13,0…

Men that are lonely and crave some sort of connection to the opposite sex.

It's not uncommon to see donations of 5k USD and up in a single transaction. And oftentimes all this person gets in return - that is, if the camgirl.. apologies, streamer notices the sum come in at all - is a "you're so sweet thanks!".

I just can't understand what they're hoping to get out of handing away so much money. Do they believe theirs will be reacted to differently? But why them? It's just so irrational!

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by ClumsyPilot » Sat, May 22, 2021, 2:08 AM UTC

thinkingemote wrote: post #85

The main thing is these are not "hot tubs" they are indoors, in a normal room, an apartment, in a kiddies play pool, with kiddies inflatable equipment. The water is, additionally, cold and a few inches deep. No-one in the world does this type of activity privately or in public. It's so obviously soft core pornography and way away from the sensible "appropriate behaviour and clothing rules" that it's absurd. Now there…

"if it's not porn, would you be okay with a 13 yr old (the age limit on twitch) doing it?"

That's about the age people discover porn, so the test doesn't work.