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Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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reactordev wrote: post #116
viraptor wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also any policy like that would hit women who are into positive body expression, without trying to use it as a popularity tool. I.e. they'd have to figure out how to tell apart those who work on being suggestive for money and that who just enjoy being suggestive in life. Kind of like the repeating issue for https://mobile.twitter.com/RealSexyCyborg who as far as I can tell is strongly in the second category. But that…

I’m all about body positivity but the policies of twitch are really hit or miss with who they come down on and who they let off the hook. It’s inconsistent. Super streamers get booted off for making a simple stupid side cuff rant yet violators of their policies continue to stream without recourse. It’s like it’s moderated by 16 year olds.

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Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by LegitShady »

autocorr wrote: post #10

> Community and advertiser feedback made clear that we need to offer more ways to control the content that’s recommended as well as where ads appear. So, we’re introducing a new category: Pools, Hot Tubs, and Beaches. If you have chosen swimwear that is allowed under the “Swim and Beaches” contextual exception to our standard Nudity and Attire policy, you should stream into the Pools, Hot Tubs and Beaches category. P…

Because twitch is a disaster, the openly hypocritical armpit of internet streaming. Less honest than an actual camgirl site, but preachy and idiotic at the same time.

What's the point of protecting their reputation when their reputation is the home of camgirls and hot tub streamers pushing their onlyfans pages already? At least if they were honest about it I could respect that, but they're not.

I hope they fail.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by throway98752343 »

gary_0 wrote: post #40

Aside from the "I know it when I see it"[0] angle, here are my thoughts. Long, long ago, I dabbled in content hosting, and still sometimes daydream about doing business along those lines. When it comes to the thought of my hypothetical service hosting purely sexual content it's not due to any puritanism that I'd prefer that my platform have rules against it. Sexual content (ie. porn) brings with it regulatory burdens…

The test of "the people who like that kind of thing also like this" could also apply here to decide whether a stream is sexual or not. Recommendation engines cut both ways.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by throway98752343 »

viraptor wrote: post #111
bluefirebrand wrote: post #103

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> I mean, most women streaming on twitch are using their looks and body for viewership. It’s the oldest play in the book This is the real sticking point. If they came down hard against titty streamers they would be destroying a large portion of their own viewer base. Not to mention how bad it would look from a "Twitch is being sexist" viewpoint. Top male streamers would continue to do extremely well, male streamers w…

Also any policy like that would hit women who are into positive body expression, without trying to use it as a popularity tool. I.e. they'd have to figure out how to tell apart those who work on being suggestive for money and that who just enjoy being suggestive in life. Kind of like the repeating issue for https://mobile.twitter.com/RealSexyCyborg who as far as I can tell is strongly in the second category. But that…

Isn't body positivity supposed to be celebrating bodies that aren't traditionally attractive?

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by bombcar »

Siira wrote: post #156
chevill wrote: post #150

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What's funny is that they insist on pretending that these streamers aren't trying to sexualize themselves. The streamer that caused this blog to be written basically uses her twitch channel as a front to sell her nudes on another site. If people want to sexualize themselves for money that's their business, the problem is they keep trying to find loopholes in the conduct policy to transform a site about videogames tha…

Has there been any good meta analyses on the effects of suggestive content on children? My prior is that seeing sex was common enough in the ancestral environment, both human and animal sex, and children won’t be much effected from this content floating around.

People don’t want to dig too much into it as either it will show it’s a problem, or show that advertising is ineffective.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by LegitShady »

dna_polymerase wrote: post #107
belval wrote: post #53

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There is not enough money in it for Amazon to start ramping up in pornographic material. The chances of brand degradation, possible boycotts due to women looking young/revenge porn is much much too high to be worth it.

They are talking about moving the existing lewd stuff out onto a new platform, not starting a PornHub alternative. There is obviously enough in it for Amazon, otherwise they would just ban the pools outright.

>existing lewd stuff out onto a new platform, not starting a PornHub alternative

These are the same things.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by bombcar »

throwkeep wrote: post #91
jedberg wrote: post #36

I never used Twitch before the pandemic -- watching people play games was never really my thing. But then I discovered the entire second use of Twitch, streaming music. Since March 2020, it's been possible to find someone streaming music at pretty much any time of day. One day I was watching around 2am Pacific time, and the stream ended. I was looking for another one when I saw someone in the music category with 13,0…

It reminds me of World of Warcraft, where guys give female avatars their items and gold for nothing.

Standard knowledge for a easy start on a new server was to roll a female elf and unequip everything and dance on the mailbox at the capitol.

I preferred cornering the thorium market on the weekends.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by makomk »

bombcar wrote: post #74
Manuel_D wrote: post #46

I think there's a significant amount of nuance in this situation. On the one hand, I don't object to people steaming and monetizing suggestive (or even explicit) content. These content creators should be able to produce and monetize this content without stigma. On the other hand, I do think the juxtaposition of this content with the rest of Twitch content is problematic. I think putting this content in the same categ…

Camsites already exist, and there's nothing stoping you from streaming games on them. The "pools, hot tubs, beaches" exception was a (stupid) loophole and they should just close it (I suspect that this is the end result moving forward, eventually). The hard part for Twitch is figuring how to do this with out appearing sexist.

Well, at least one major adult cam site banned streaming games a few years back due to copyright concerns. Not sure about other sites but I suspect they'd end up having to do the same thing if it caught on there; the plausible deniability of being on a games streaming site is important if you want to be able to stream games, since it's at best a bit of a copyright grey area and developers don't have the same incentive to permit adult streamers as they do plain game streamers.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by LegitShady »

parsimo2010 wrote: post #9

They claim that they only prohibit things that are intentionally suggestive, but every streamer is afraid to accidentally show their feet because they get a ban. Twitch has inconsistencies in the way they apply their policies, and they sometimes don’t even tell a streamer why they got a ban. Creating a beach and hot tub category is the least of their worries. But at least it makes it easier for me to intentionally fi…

>. But at least it makes it easier for me to intentionally find attractive women in swimsuits who are streaming their sexiness unintentionally,

...do you honestly think it's unintentional? The issue is twitch are open hypocrites. They take a cut of money people 'donate' to these sexually suggestive streamers. They don't need the advertisers on those streams because the money is already coming in from the viewers.

The issue is that they're full of it.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by LegitShady »

Afforess wrote: post #37
sillysaurusx wrote: post #16

The context here is that one of the most prolific twitch streamers recently had her advertising cut with no warning. (They still run ads on her stream, but she doesn’t get any of the proceeds, if I understand it.) Lots of these streamers have an Onlyfans link in their Twitter bio, though, and they make it pretty obvious that you should join “to see the good stuff.” https://twitter.com/amouranth/status/139519251195885…

> (They still run ads on her stream, but she doesn’t get any of the proceeds, if I understand it.) In what universe is this an acceptable outcome for a TOS violation?

>In what universe is this an acceptable outcome for a TOS violation?

in the universe where it's unlikely for small streamers to successfully sue twitch for stealing revenue. It's an egregious abuse but its one that has to be first arbitrated and then sued over and its unlikely to succeed so no one has really done it.

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