Nice, it's good that they're bringing clarity since there's so much of this sort of content now. Hopefully Twitch becomes more consistent and transparent with how they enforce content policies moving forward. There's very unclear feedback or warnings provided to streamers, and there seems to be quite a bit of nepotism. All sorts of streamers from all different communities can corroborate this.
Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams
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#152I never used Twitch before the pandemic -- watching people play games was never really my thing. But then I discovered the entire second use of Twitch, streaming music. Since March 2020, it's been possible to find someone streaming music at pretty much any time of day. One day I was watching around 2am Pacific time, and the stream ended. I was looking for another one when I saw someone in the music category with 13,0…
Especially on the internet, home of more pornography than any human could ever consume in a million lifetimes. I don't understand what would compel someone to sit and watch and tip someone in a bathing suit attempting to play video games.
It’s a well known symptom of extreme loneliness. Very common in Japan, and growing in the west.
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#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "Men garner popularity by exhibiting their skills, women garner popularity by exhibiting their bodies." In what way does this foster non-productive attitudes in boys and young men?
I suspect it reinforces the stereotype that women who enter "nerdy" spaces like gaming are more interested in attracting the attention of men, than actually engaging with gaming. It plays into the trope of a "gamer girl that sucks at games, but succeeds because she's hot". This leads to women's abilities being doubted, and their intentions often mistaken. To be clear, there's nothing wrong with doing suggestive cospl…
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#154I think there's a significant amount of nuance in this situation. On the one hand, I don't object to people steaming and monetizing suggestive (or even explicit) content. These content creators should be able to produce and monetize this content without stigma. On the other hand, I do think the juxtaposition of this content with the rest of Twitch content is problematic. I think putting this content in the same categ…
This is the core of the problem that we're facing on every modern "all the things" platform.
How do you create a general content site, without spending money on human review and curation of all uploads, while segregating erotic and non-erotic content, without having your entire site banned/blocked/gated around the world for hosting erotic content?
This has affected Amazon, Blogspot, Facebook, Google, Imgur, Patreon, Reddit, Tumblr, Twitch, Youtube. Every general content site has this problem. Most try to solve it with "user flags", which are promptly weaponized and abused to silence others. Problems constantly recur around statues, breastfeeding, swimsuits. Advertisers want content to be segmented with certainty, but site operators don't want to pay human beings to do that. Standards of "erotic" vary wildly per city, country, religion. The list goes on.
What if human curation is the only valid solution? We haven't found any other solution that works yet, and AI is barely able to recognize human beings, much less discern whether content is intended to be categorized as erotic, non-erotic, or both.
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#155It’s a tricky issue because it pits the capitalistic tendencies of wanting to make as much money as possible against the ethical tendencies of trying not to contribute to most girls’ body issues.
These are the types of conversations people are having around the data showing a steady decrease in women’s subjective well being over the last many decades: https://www.frbsf.org/economic-research/files/wp09-11bk.pdf
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
They don't want to be a porn site. The problem they have is that the porn content drives away advertisers and non-porn related contant. So they have to steer away from porn, but wherever they draw the line there are going to be people testing the line, and there's an audience for it. So the compromise they've clearly come up with is they don't allow porn, but if you happen to be sexy wearing practically nothing, that…
What's funny is that they insist on pretending that these streamers aren't trying to sexualize themselves. The streamer that caused this blog to be written basically uses her twitch channel as a front to sell her nudes on another site. If people want to sexualize themselves for money that's their business, the problem is they keep trying to find loopholes in the conduct policy to transform a site about videogames tha…
Has there been any good meta analyses on the effects of suggestive content on children? My prior is that seeing sex was common enough in the ancestral environment, both human and animal sex, and children won’t be much effected from this content floating around.
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m all about body positivity but the policies of twitch are really hit or miss with who they come down on and who they let off the hook. It’s inconsistent. Super streamers get booted off for making a simple stupid side cuff rant yet violators of their policies continue to stream without recourse. It’s like it’s moderated by 16 year olds.
This is a consistent problem among all social media platforms, imo. My theory is there a couple of key problems that lead to this crummy moderation, but it essentially all stems from the fact these platforms are too huge to moderate effectively. First, because they are so huge, they have limited customer support. It's very hard to get ahold of a human being at any of these companies, because users are not the custome…
> Third, because there are no real repercussions, moderators play favourites. There is no real customer service channel so complaints against bad moderating go largely unheard. When you heard about a channel being unbanned almost immediately when larger channels stay banned and it never seems to be fixed, that's likely a human who has a bias towards one over another. People who have an in with the moderation team can get preferential treatment for sure.
I wouldn't be surprised if all the massive user generated content sites have hand-curated Do Not Ban lists to protect their top VIP users from the whims of the algorithms. Would a top-100 app ever get automation-banned from the Apple Store? Would a popular celebrity get automation-banned from Twitter? I bet, for the select list of "favorites," any ban action goes through multiple levels of human judgment. For the rest of us schmucks, it's a roll of the algorithm dice.
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#158> Sexually suggestive content–and where to draw the line–is an area that is particularly complex to assess, as sexual suggestiveness is a spectrum that involves some degree of personal interpretation of where the line falls This is just in general why I have an issue with prudeness in our society. I have no idea where prudeness comes from, is it innate to some people? Is it a taught trait? But it seems to cause so mu…
> This is just in general why I have an issue with prudeness in our society.
My brain reacts to sexual stimuli, as it evolved to. I don't want that reaction when I'm riding the metro, or in a work meeting, or having a family dinner. So it's helpful to have a set of social norms about when and where to expect and accept sexual content and when not to.
> I have no idea where prudeness comes from, is it innate to some people? Is it a taught trait?
It's cultural. Norms change, sometimes rapidly. In video games, sexy characters who used to be contentious have been commonplace for a while now, and this hot tub streams thing is just over the line. Maybe in a decade, softcore streamers will be normal but streaming hardcore sex will just over the line.
> But it seems to cause so much discord and disagreement yet is inherently safe and peaceful.
Is the "it" here prudery or provocation?
Prudery is at one end of the spectrum with provocativeness on the other. There's almost no way you aren't prudish in some way. Prudery is usually about control but it's only bad when it can't be relaxed in private or when that control becomes a means of oppression.
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#159Tide and Coke and GM would definitely advertise on PornHub if they didn't know that a vocal chunk of their consumers would actively protest, and stop buying those products.
But advertising on a website that is oriented towards Let's Play and educational lectures and video games? Of course!
Twitch just needs to make the sexual content deniable and findable at the same time... which they have just done.
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "Men garner popularity by exhibiting their skills, women garner popularity by exhibiting their bodies." In what way does this foster non-productive attitudes in boys and young men?
I suspect it reinforces the stereotype that women who enter "nerdy" spaces like gaming are more interested in attracting the attention of men, than actually engaging with gaming. It plays into the trope of a "gamer girl that sucks at games, but succeeds because she's hot". This leads to women's abilities being doubted, and their intentions often mistaken. To be clear, there's nothing wrong with doing suggestive cospl…
I'd argue the opposite: around half the population of the planet is instinctively and immediately drawn to the sight of a fertile woman with her secondary sexual attributes on display, while the appeal of pixels mashing into other pixels on a screen is much more limited.
Also, Amouranth does actual pornography for a living, her own interest is absolutely more aligned towards getting new OnlyFans subs than some platonic ideal of enjoying gaming for its own sake.