I really hope the concept of "you can't be anti-competitive if you own the entire ecosystem" dies.
The slogans are easy but you need to define what "ecosystem" is so we understand the system-wide implications of these attitudes. Can I for example go to Walmart and setup my own store inside their store without having to ask them? Can I do the same in your local mom-and-pop store?
Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire
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Re: Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire
#52Then the customers that trust apple to protect them will just stay with the app store.
The customers that try the alternate ways may find problems, but they will also find enormous positive changes in their ability to do new things on their phone.
Personally, I would like the ability to see what apps - including apple apps - are doing, and firewall my phone.
Re: Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Many people recycle phones every couple of years. If the phone functions as a typical smartphone with a gaming bent, it could replace traditional smartphones for folks who want to game. Gamers also carry secondary hand-held devices (like the Nintendo Switch) for dedicated gameplay.
Do you realize how many failed devices fit that category. Those who don't know their history...
Re: Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wasn't using an analogy. I was literally talking about: if this is a law, how it'll ACTUALLY impact every business. If you think what Apple has created is different, again, define it. Let's see how it's fundamentally different and where the line is.
Can you please explain how you go from the hypothetical future of "Apple's 30% app store cut is found to be illegally anti-competitive" to "Walmart would be forced to allow random competitors to open stores physically inside them".
Re: Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire
#55I really hope the concept of "you can't be anti-competitive if you own the entire ecosystem" dies.
The slogans are easy but you need to define what "ecosystem" is so we understand the system-wide implications of these attitudes. Can I for example go to Walmart and setup my own store inside their store without having to ask them? Can I do the same in your local mom-and-pop store?
Re: Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire
#56The best result for customers is that there are alternate ways of putting apps on their own phones that do not require apple's permission. Then the customers that trust apple to protect them will just stay with the app store. The customers that try the alternate ways may find problems, but they will also find enormous positive changes in their ability to do new things on their phone. Personally, I would like the abil…
Develop applications right on device! My dream.
Re: Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire
#57I really hope the concept of "you can't be anti-competitive if you own the entire ecosystem" dies.
The slogans are easy but you need to define what "ecosystem" is so we understand the system-wide implications of these attitudes. Can I for example go to Walmart and setup my own store inside their store without having to ask them? Can I do the same in your local mom-and-pop store?
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you realize how many failed devices fit that category. Those who don't know their history...
I only said it could work, not that it will. I am aware of the many failures in this category. I also wanted to point out that the original premise (nobody would buy an Epic phone because it must be their second phone) is flawed. Not only could it replace their primary phone, but gamers do indeed buy, charge, and carry secondary hand-held devices if the device suits their needs.
Also I like how all of those theories just sit in vacuum, as if we're not going through a major economic contraction due to a two year global pandemic, but sure, everyone has the money to get themselves a second phone, because they decided not to eat anymore.
Re: Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire
#59There's a lot of debate and fine tuning of what should be allowed regarding things like the size of apple's cut, side loading or allowing a 3rd party appstore but it's painfully clear to me that banning app developers from even mentioning an alternate payment method is very anti-consumer.
Re: Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire
#60I can buy a book directly on the Amazon iOS app, but I can't buy an ebook. That seems like the most fundamental problem to me and a clear case that this is anticompetitive behavior.
I mention this because it’s both an important distinction and the same subject as Epic’s lawsuit.