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Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by _6pvr »

nemothekid wrote: post #54
_6pvr wrote: post #2

Twitch continues to pretend hot tub streams aren't intentionally sexually suggestive. What a joke. HN doesn't really do memes, but I made this because it seems relevant: https://imgflip.com/i/5ah3b7

> Twitch continues to pretend hot tub streams aren't intentionally sexually suggestive. What a joke. What do you want Twitch to do? Ban women from wearing anything than a Burqa? Or ban Twitch streamers from going to the beach?

What a truly excellent strawman. Do you see no middle ground between obviously sexual content and a Burqa? Is there no middle ground between writing someone's name on your breasts for $5 and going to the beach to swim?

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by ZephyrBlu »

notJim wrote: post #45
deanc wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because there are other places for that. Many people browse twitch at work (let’s not debate that) and don’t want to see that kind of content. Or on machines visible at home around other family members. These women have every right to do as they please, and most likely will continue to push the boundaries of twitch’s tolerance. I suspect we will have car washing streams or sauna streams next to get around the rule. B…

Wouldn't a simple solution be to allow people to disable or hide NSFW streams? Reddit and Twitter both have this, IIRC.

That doesn't fix the issue of ruining the Twitch brand.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by jedberg »

poyu wrote: post #48
jedberg wrote: post #36

I never used Twitch before the pandemic -- watching people play games was never really my thing. But then I discovered the entire second use of Twitch, streaming music. Since March 2020, it's been possible to find someone streaming music at pretty much any time of day. One day I was watching around 2am Pacific time, and the stream ended. I was looking for another one when I saw someone in the music category with 13,0…

> I was fascinated by the fact that she had so many people basically just watching her in a hot tub and giving her money. She wasn't doing anything compelling. Wait until you learn about VTubers.

I just Googled that. I'm equally fascinated.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by bombcar »

Manuel_D wrote: post #46

I think there's a significant amount of nuance in this situation. On the one hand, I don't object to people steaming and monetizing suggestive (or even explicit) content. These content creators should be able to produce and monetize this content without stigma. On the other hand, I do think the juxtaposition of this content with the rest of Twitch content is problematic. I think putting this content in the same categ…

Camsites already exist, and there's nothing stoping you from streaming games on them.

The "pools, hot tubs, beaches" exception was a (stupid) loophole and they should just close it (I suspect that this is the end result moving forward, eventually). The hard part for Twitch is figuring how to do this with out appearing sexist.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by JohnJamesRambo »

jedberg wrote: post #36

I never used Twitch before the pandemic -- watching people play games was never really my thing. But then I discovered the entire second use of Twitch, streaming music. Since March 2020, it's been possible to find someone streaming music at pretty much any time of day. One day I was watching around 2am Pacific time, and the stream ended. I was looking for another one when I saw someone in the music category with 13,0…

Especially on the internet, home of more pornography than any human could ever consume in a million lifetimes. I don't understand what would compel someone to sit and watch and tip someone in a bathing suit attempting to play video games.

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Post by sillysaurusx »

notJim wrote: post #41
sillysaurusx wrote: post #16

The context here is that one of the most prolific twitch streamers recently had her advertising cut with no warning. (They still run ads on her stream, but she doesn’t get any of the proceeds, if I understand it.) Lots of these streamers have an Onlyfans link in their Twitter bio, though, and they make it pretty obvious that you should join “to see the good stuff.” https://twitter.com/amouranth/status/139519251195885…

I'm not sure why it's relevant that they have OnlyFans links, unless Amazon's position is that no one who has an OnlyFans or who makes adult content on other platforms is allowed on Twitch. > “she’s doing the equivalent of holding a finger in front of your face and saying ‘not touching you! Not touching you!’ for a no-touching policy.” In other words, she's in compliance with the policy?

She’s in compliance with the policy. And her channel isn’t banned — she’s free to stream.

But apparently when she streams, she doesn’t earn advertising revenue. That’s not really a ToS issue; twitch’s advertising partners get the final say there.

(It seems nuts that they still run ads on her channel at all, though. If they’re showing ads, it makes no sense that she doesn’t get a cut.)

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by michaelt »

autocorr wrote: post #10

> Community and advertiser feedback made clear that we need to offer more ways to control the content that’s recommended as well as where ads appear. So, we’re introducing a new category: Pools, Hot Tubs, and Beaches. If you have chosen swimwear that is allowed under the “Swim and Beaches” contextual exception to our standard Nudity and Attire policy, you should stream into the Pools, Hot Tubs and Beaches category. P…

Imagine a household where the parents run a porn blocker, while a teenager wants to view risqué things.

Twitch wants to keep them both happy: Not so much censorship as to drive the teenager away, but enough prudishness that porn blockers don't censor their entire domain.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by _6pvr »

robbrown451 wrote: post #50
_6pvr wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There has been confusion around whether streams from hot tubs are permissible under our current policies, and we understand why our rules as written have contributed to that confusion. Under our current Nudity & Attire and Sexually Suggestive Content policies, streamers may appear in swimwear in contextually appropriate situations (at the beach, in a hot tub, for example), and we allow creative expression like body…

Did you ask that before? What is your point? Surely you recognize that these things lie on a spectrum. Is charging admission for beach volleyball a sexual service? No matter your level of prudishness, you will be able to find something that is right in the gray area.

> Is charging admission for beach volleyball a sexual service?

This question actually perfectly articulates the difference. When you pay $5 to watch a beach volleyball tournament, you're paying for volleyball, and may as a side effect experience content that _some_ may find sexual. By Twitch's ToS, this should totally be allowed.

As for my example, is there a nonsexual reason to pay a woman 5 dollars to bend over in front of you? What is it?

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by mcherm »

eertami wrote: post #22

So no changes really, except they've made it a distinct category so that people can find this content easily without leaving the site and going to something like booba.tv for discovery (nsfw I guess, it is curated links to "sexually suggestive" twitch streamers).

> So no changes really, except they've made it a distinct category so that people can find this content easily

Making it a distinct category also means that both advertisers and viewers can AVOID the content easily.

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