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Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by belinder »

acidbaseextract wrote: post #25
autocorr wrote: post #10

> Community and advertiser feedback made clear that we need to offer more ways to control the content that’s recommended as well as where ads appear. So, we’re introducing a new category: Pools, Hot Tubs, and Beaches. If you have chosen swimwear that is allowed under the “Swim and Beaches” contextual exception to our standard Nudity and Attire policy, you should stream into the Pools, Hot Tubs and Beaches category. P…

Probably the lost ad revenue. No company wants to advertise on those streams. By breaking them out in way where advertisers could opt out of that stream category, suggestive streamers (a huge segment of traffic) would lose money for Twitch.

But isn't that already exactly what they're doing by breaking it into hot tub category and letting advertisers opt out of that category? So the question is if they let advertisers opt out anyway, why this hot tub category instead of an explicit suggestive category.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by mcherm »

wvenable wrote: post #42
Traster wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't want to be a porn site. The problem they have is that the porn content drives away advertisers and non-porn related contant. So they have to steer away from porn, but wherever they draw the line there are going to be people testing the line, and there's an audience for it. So the compromise they've clearly come up with is they don't allow porn, but if you happen to be sexy wearing practically nothing, that…

Seems like there's an opportunity to just split the site, create a new brand for adult content, and send that content over to that brand.

Yes, but it is more effective to let someone else own the second site that offers adult content. Then, for advertisers, there is no brand confusion caused by a common owner.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by belval »

wvenable wrote: post #42
Traster wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't want to be a porn site. The problem they have is that the porn content drives away advertisers and non-porn related contant. So they have to steer away from porn, but wherever they draw the line there are going to be people testing the line, and there's an audience for it. So the compromise they've clearly come up with is they don't allow porn, but if you happen to be sexy wearing practically nothing, that…

Seems like there's an opportunity to just split the site, create a new brand for adult content, and send that content over to that brand.

There is not enough money in it for Amazon to start ramping up in pornographic material. The chances of brand degradation, possible boycotts due to women looking young/revenge porn is much much too high to be worth it.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by nemothekid »

_6pvr wrote: post #2

Twitch continues to pretend hot tub streams aren't intentionally sexually suggestive. What a joke. HN doesn't really do memes, but I made this because it seems relevant: https://imgflip.com/i/5ah3b7

>Twitch continues to pretend hot tub streams aren't intentionally sexually suggestive. What a joke.

What do you want Twitch to do? Ban women from wearing anything than a Burqa? Or ban Twitch streamers from going to the beach?

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by Ekaros »

Twitch is truly a mess... The enforcement is all over the place...

Not that Youtube isn't also "interesting" in some content moderation. Outright nudity is possible with thin veil of "educational" content.

I wish the platforms just applied rules equally and had clear rules. And not punish past content with new rules. But maybe that is too much to ask these days...

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by vorpalhex »

Semaphor wrote: post #27
parsimo2010 wrote: post #9

They claim that they only prohibit things that are intentionally suggestive, but every streamer is afraid to accidentally show their feet because they get a ban. Twitch has inconsistencies in the way they apply their policies, and they sometimes don’t even tell a streamer why they got a ban. Creating a beach and hot tub category is the least of their worries. But at least it makes it easier for me to intentionally fi…

every streamer? Hard disagree, I see feet commonly and never never even heard of this.

I've seen multiple streamers, especially women, who are playing games or normal twitch things and end up modifying their behavior because of fear of this rule. A whole bunch of twitch streamers are wearing slippers in case their feet end up on camera for a second.

The whole rule started because people were monetizing feet content which obviously leans lewd, but the poor rule targeting has ended up with all kinds of weird consequences.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by patmcc »

wvenable wrote: post #42
Traster wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't want to be a porn site. The problem they have is that the porn content drives away advertisers and non-porn related contant. So they have to steer away from porn, but wherever they draw the line there are going to be people testing the line, and there's an audience for it. So the compromise they've clearly come up with is they don't allow porn, but if you happen to be sexy wearing practically nothing, that…

Seems like there's an opportunity to just split the site, create a new brand for adult content, and send that content over to that brand.

There are already lots of adult content sites; the reason these streamers exist on twitch specifically is because they can reach an audience that isn't on adult sites.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by overtonwhy »

Jonanin wrote: post #8
_6pvr wrote: post #2

Twitch continues to pretend hot tub streams aren't intentionally sexually suggestive. What a joke. HN doesn't really do memes, but I made this because it seems relevant: https://imgflip.com/i/5ah3b7

I didn't know there were so many outraged prudes on twitch. Why should twitch have a sexually suggestive content rule in the first place? This rule actually seems reasonable: > Nudity or sexually explicit content (which we define as pornography, sex acts, and sexual services) are not allowed on Twitch. I don't see what the huge issue with showing off your own sexiness is. Sheesh!

Twitch has an audience that's largely children...
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